Re: [Netconf] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-25: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Thu, 10 January 2019 18:34 UTC

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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:34:44 -0600
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
CC: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net>, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>, Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch@ietf.org>, "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" <netconf-chairs@ietf.org>, "netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-25: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:22:03PM -0600, Adam Roach wrote:
> On 1/10/19 11:26 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > On 1/9/2019 1:12 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
> > ...
> >> To clarify, the draft uses DNS in two ways:
> >>
> >> 1) the first is for traditional SRV records, for which being under 
> >> _tcp makes sense.
> >
> > +1
> >> 2) the second is for TXT records that, of and in themselves, are not 
> >> describing a TCP service, so much as providing bootstrapping data, 
> >> that may or may not cause the device to initiate a subsequent 
> >> connection (TCP or otherwise). For this case, we also have the _sztp 
> >> record under _tcp, but *should* it be under the TLD instead?
> >
> > Absent deep involvement in the work of the spec, and just basing my 
> > view on the small bits of the spec I've read, I'd suggest dropping use 
> > of _tcp for the TXT and just using _sztp as a globally-scoped attrleaf 
> > node name, registering it in the new attrleaf registry. 
> 
> 
> I don't think this is right. Draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch is explicitly 
> using DNS-SD procedures [1]. In turn, DNS-SD absolutely mandates the 
> presence of both SRV and TXT records with the same name [2]. So the 
> names need to match.

Whoops, that's totally an error on my part.  If we're explicitly doing
DNS-SD, then there's "nothing to see here".

Sorry for missing that.

-Benjamin

> Dave's assertion that the use of _sztp._tcp... is not under the purview 
> of draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf is correct [3]. The assumption in attrleaf 
> is that whatever document ends up registering a global underscored name 
> will provide guidance for those name elements that precede (are lower 
> down in the tree than) the global underscored name.
> 
> In the case of DNS-SD, both the SRV and TXT _tcp global leaf namespace 
> is clearly spelled out to be governed by 
> <http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers> [4][5][6][7].
> 
> In short, unless we're making radical changes to zerotouch so that it no 
> longer uses RFC 6763, there is no valid path forward other than 
> registering a corresponding service in the IANA table cited above (such 
> as "sztp").
> 
> /a
> 
> ____
> [1] draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch §4.2.1: "Devices claiming to support 
> DNS as a source of bootstrapping data MUST first query for 
> device-specific DNS records using DNS-SD [RFC6763]"
> 
> [2] RFC 6763 §6: "Every DNS-SD service MUST have a TXT record in 
> addition to its SRV record, with the same name"
> 
> [3] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf §2: "Only global underscored names are 
> registered in the IANA Underscore Global table."
> 
> [4] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf §4.3 defers authority for SRV/_tcp to RFC 
> 2782 and authority for TXT/_tcp to RFC 6763.
> 
> [5] RFC 6763 §7: "The first label of the pair is an underscore character 
> followed by the Service Name [RFC6335]."
> 
> [6] RFC 6335 §10, which is too long too reasonably quote here.
> 
> [7] RFC2782 §"The format of the SRV RR"; see definition of "Service", 
> with STD 2/RFC 1700 -> RFC 3232 -> iana.org
> 
>