[netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt

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Re-,

I know this is surprising, but we have a bunch of Netconf-related assignments out there (while they shouldn’t).

Let’s fix that.

Cheers,
Med

De : Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>
Envoyé : mardi 8 octobre 2024 06:56
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]>
Cc : [e-mail]
Objet : Re: [netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt


On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:33 PM <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Andy,

This is not about requesting new port numbers, but de-assigning them.

Please refer to the doc for more details.


OK - but the UDP de-assignments are incorrect.
There were only TCP assignments requested in those RFCs.

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6242#section-7

Only TCP is mentioned, not UDP.

The TCP ports for SoAP and BEEP are obsolete.


Cheers,
Med

Andy


De : Andy Bierman <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Envoyé : lundi 7 octobre 2024 19:59
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc : [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Objet : Re: [netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt

Hi,


On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 7:39 AM <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Amanda, all,

Thank you for sharing this feedback.

Great to hear that we don't need an RFC for the fixes in 3.1/3.2/3.3.


NETCONF has never been designed or approved to run over UDP.
The NETCONF WG requested TCP port numbers only.

I do not understand why the NETCONF WG is requesting UDP port numbers at this time.



As a logistic matter, can we use this discussion to trigger the process of examining the requested actions? (seeks for AD approvals/experts, etc.)

Cheers,
Med

Andy

PS: I updated the draft to remove 3.4 as that one is not actually needed.

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Sabrina Tanamal via RT <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2024 19:55
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Cc : [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
> Objet : [IANA #1379432] RE: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-boucadair-
> netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
>
> Hi Med, all,
>
> Thanks for the note.
>
> Looping in Zahed, the WIT AD, for input.
>
> Ordinarily, to release or change registrations made by an RFC,
> IANA needs either another RFC or directions from the IESG (such as
> a status change document or, rarely, a decision at a telechat,
> which might not result in a useful reference beyond a quick
> statement in the official minutes).
>
> It may be possible to take care of most of these without an RFC,
> though.
>
> Section 3.1: RFC 6262 didn't tell us to register the UDP port. If
> the UDP registration is erroneous, we could ask the AD (as opposed
> to IESG) approval to confirm that it could be listed as "Reserved"
> instead (per our standard procedure when only the TCP port is
> registered). The AD might suggest consulting the port expert
> before moving forward.
>
> Sections 3.2 and 3.3: I see that the status for 4743 and 4744 was
> changed to "historic" in 2012. Currently, when we see a status
> change -- I'm not sure when this one came through -- we ask
> whether any registrations should be marked "deprecated" or
> "obsolete." We didn't do this at the time. We could also ask the
> ADs if we could proceed with the actions in Sections 3.2 and 3.3
> now based on the de-assignment procedure recommendation in Section
> 8.2 of RFC 6335. As noted above, this may also require
> consultation with the port expert.
>
> Section 3.4: given that draft-ietf-netconf-over-tls13 is in the
> RFC Editor's queue, is it possible to update that document's IANA
> Considerations section to refer to RFC 8446 instead of itself?
>
> Best regards,
> Sabrina
>
> On Tue Oct 01 10:08:59 2024, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hi Kent, all,
> >
> > Cool, thanks.
> >
> > I don't know whether we actually need a document to "fix" this.
> I'm
> > adding IANA and our AD for advice on how to proceed for these
> matters.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : Kent Watsen <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> > > Envoyé : jeudi 26 septembre 2024 16:37 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed
> > > INNOV/NET <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> Cc : [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
> Objet
> > > : Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-
> > > numbers-00.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Med,
> > >
> > > Thank you for initiating this effort.  Honestly, I didn’t know
> that
> > > those unnecessary allocations existed.  It is goodness to
> release
> > > unneeded allocations.
> > >
> > > Kent / contributor
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 26, 2024, at 8:50 AM, [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > An attempt to clean up NETCONF-related assignments,
> especially
> > > for those in 0-1023 range. We might consider repurposing some
> of
> > > them (e.g., QUIC).
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Med
> > > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
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> Envoyé
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> Objet :
> > > I-D
> > > > Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> > > >
> > > > Internet-Draft draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> is
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> > > >
> > > > Title:   NETCONF Transport Port Numbers
> > > > Author:  Mohamed Boucadair
> > > > Name:    draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> > > > Pages:   9
> > > > Dates:   2024-09-26
> > > >
> > > > Abstract:
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> > > > This document releases NETCONF-related port number IANA
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> > > an
> > > > Historic NETCONF-related protocol.
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