Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525 (6484)
Martin Björklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se> Mon, 15 March 2021 10:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525 (6484)
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Jan Lindblad <janl@tail-f.com> wrote: > Martin, > > >> Rob, Martin, > >> > >> Wouldn't changing the revision date be a massively > >> non-backwards-compatible change? > > > > Note that this is in the revision history list. > > I understand. Do you consider changing the revision history a > backwards compatible change that clients, servers and tools should > reasonably be able to cope with? Today we have: ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21: revision 2016-06-21 { description "Initial revision."; } ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04 revision 2019-01-04 { description { ... } } revision 2016-04-09 { description "Initial revision."; } I don't expect any tool to be able to cope with this in any meaningful way. The only reason we haven't seen this before is that tools don't try to use "2016-04-09". So yes, I think it is ok to do: ietf-yang-library@202X-XX-XX revision 202X-XX-XX { description { ... } } revision 2019-01-04 { description { ... } } revision 2016-06-21 { description "Initial revision."; } (actually, not just "ok", but the right thing to do...) /martin > > >> Anyone might be importing this module by revision, and tools could be > >> hardcoded towards the revision date, given that this is a pretty > >> fundamental module. > >> > >> What is the (technical) benefit of changing the date? > > > > The idea is that if we ever do a new version of this module, we fix > > the revision history list in that new version. > > Yes, the description of the idea was clear. I see some potential > trouble doing this, and so far I haven't been able to think of any use > case that would benefit from a change. Is there any? > > Correct information is always nice, but changing module identification > data also leads to confusion. I don't think we should change it unless > someone can point to some benefits that outweigh the cost. > > Best Regards, > /jan > > > >>> Hi Martin, > >>> > >>> I agree, hold for doc update seems appropriate. > >>> > >>> Any other comments? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Rob > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Martin Björklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se> > >>>> Sent: 15 March 2021 09:24 > >>>> To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > >>>> Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; mbj+ietf@4668.se; j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- > >>>> university.de; kent+ietf@watsen.net; Rob Wilton (rwilton) > >>>> <rwilton@cisco.com>; warren@kumari.net; mjethanandani@gmail.com; > >>>> netconf@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525 (6484) > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Wow, this is obviously a bug. > >>>> > >>>> I am not sure it can be fixed with an errata however. Perhaps "hold > >>>> for document update"? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> /martin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> RFC Errata System <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > >>>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8525, > >>>>> "YANG Library". > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>> You may review the report below and at: > >>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6484 > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>> Type: Technical > >>>>> Reported by: Jernej Tuljak <jernej.tuljak@mg-soft.si> > >>>>> > >>>>> Section: 4 > >>>>> > >>>>> Original Text > >>>>> ------------- > >>>>> revision 2016-04-09 { > >>>>> description > >>>>> "Initial revision."; > >>>>> reference > >>>>> "RFC 7895: YANG Module Library"; > >>>>> } > >>>>> > >>>>> Corrected Text > >>>>> -------------- > >>>>> revision 2016-06-21 { > >>>>> description > >>>>> "Initial revision."; > >>>>> reference > >>>>> "RFC 7895: YANG Module Library"; > >>>>> } > >>>>> > >>>>> Notes > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> Initial revision of ietf-yang-library YANG module was 2016-06-21, not > >>>> 2016-04-09. > >>>>> > >>>>> Instructions: > >>>>> ------------- > >>>>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > >>>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > >>>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > >>>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>> RFC8525 (draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-07) > >>>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>>> Title : YANG Library > >>>>> Publication Date : March 2019 > >>>>> Author(s) : A. Bierman, M. Bjorklund, J. Schoenwaelder, K. > >>>> Watsen, R. Wilton > >>>>> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > >>>>> Source : Network Configuration > >>>>> Area : Operations and Management > >>>>> Stream : IETF > >>>>> Verifying Party : IESG > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> netconf mailing list > >>>>> netconf@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> netconf mailing list > >>> netconf@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > >>> > >> >
- [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525 (64… RFC Errata System
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Jan Lindblad
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Jan Lindblad
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Martin Björklund
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Jernej Tuljak
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Jan Lindblad
- Re: [netconf] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8525… Andy Bierman