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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2018 10:11 PM, Eric Voit
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            Balazs,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
            is good stuff.   I certainly would vote for adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Some
            other thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section
            2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">//which
            ones they are not/which ones are not/</span></p>
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    BALAZS: OK<br>
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      cite="mid:1564f0acc0bd44b29267aa5f759145f9@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
            sure what “purely model driven” means.   Is this getting to
            the point that sometimes for a single schema, some instance
            data might be subscribable, and some might not?</span></p>
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    BALAZS: Purely model driven OAM application would be something that
    e.g. mirrors the datastore in the NMS, but does not really care what
    the data means. It job is just to get the data into the NMS. As long
    as it has a valid model, it does not care how that has changed over
    time.<br>
    Yes Martin and some others wanted to handle the use-case where the
    capability of sending on-change notifications depends on things like
    1) HW availability, HW version running the SW or 2) even the CPU
    load. Things that change, but not too rapidly, otherwise it becomes
    meaningless. <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For
            implementation time information, it might be good to
            describe the interaction of this information with run-time
            on-change support markings.  E.g., is it possible for
            implementation time to be “Yes” and run-time to be “No”? 
            Should we care about this?</span></p>
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    BALAZS: This is mentioned in the instance data draft, but also at
    the end of section 3.<br>
    If the information retrieved via Netconf/Restconf and the YANG<br>
       Instance Data File conflict, the former MUST be considered<br>
       authoritative.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section
            3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Instead
            of boolean for notification-sent-for-config-default and
            notification-sent-for-state-default, should there be a
            boolean for each datastore?</span></p>
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    BALAZS: For config=false the answer is easy, only valid for
    operational.<br>
    For config=true your question is valid. However you could ask the
    same for the full YAM including the
    on-change-notification-capability list. IMO that would be an
    overkill. <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                  Netconf <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org">&lt;netconf-bounces@ietf.org&gt;</a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Balazs Lengyel<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:19 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:netconf@ietf.org">netconf@ietf.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Netconf] Fwd: New Version
                  Notification for
                  draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Hello, <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I submitted a new version of the
            draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities updated with
            comments from the last IETF and others. I would like to get
            this adopted as a workgroup item. Please review it and if
            you like it, please indicate that you support it as a
            workgroup item.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Changes:<br>
               o  Augment only the new yanglib branch<br>
               o  Correct the conditions for notifying about state data<br>
               o  Corrections, clarifications<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">regards Balazs <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">New Version Notification for
                      draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01.txt<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:57:58 -0700<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Alexander Clemm <a
                        href="mailto:ludwig@clemm.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;ludwig@clemm.org&gt;</a>,
                      Balazs Lengyel
                      <a href="mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com&gt;</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <pre>A new version of I-D, draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01.txt<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
            <pre>Name:         draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Revision:     01<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Title:        YangPush Notification Capabilities<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Document date: 2018-06-13<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Group:        Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Pages:        10<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>URL:            <a href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01.txt" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01.txt</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Status:         <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities/</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Htmlized:       <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Htmlized:       <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities" moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>Diff:           <a href="https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lengyel-netconf-notification-capabilities-01</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
            <pre>Abstract:<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>   This document proposes a YANG module that allows a YANG server to<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>   specify for which data nodes it will send "YANG Datastore<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>   Subscription" on-change notifications.  It also proposes to use YANG<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>   Instance Data to document this information in implementation time.<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
            <pre>                                                                                  <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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            <pre>Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission<o:p></o:p></pre>
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          <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Balazs Lengyel                       Ericsson Hungary Ltd.<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Senior Specialist<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Mobile: +36-70-330-7909              email: <a href="mailto:Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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