Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary across different receivers of a single configured subscription?
Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Wed, 15 November 2017 15:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary across different receivers of a single configured subscription?
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"Eric Voit (evoit)" <evoit@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > > > > "Eric Voit (evoit)" <evoit@cisco.com> wrote: > > > In the WG session tomorrow, I am hoping to get "hum feedback" on: > > > > > > > > > > > > draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications > > > > > > https://github.com/netconf-wg/rfc5277bis/issues/4 > > > > > > > > > > > > The two choices and their issues exposed during the two week review on > > "Can Transport vary across different receivers of a single configured > > subscription?" are: > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Yes, Transport can vary by receiver > > > > > > * Fewer subscriptions (scale benefit) > > > > > > * Can convert transport without requiring an application to learn a > > multiple subscription ids > > > > > > * No duplication of content during transport conversion. > > > > > > * (Potential confusion in allowing transport to vary, but encoding not > > to vary?) > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) No, only one Transport across all subscriptions > > > > > > * Simpler model > > > > > > * But applications may need to create and track multiple > > subscription-ids for the same content. > > > > > > * Temporary duplication of content streams during transport change. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current draft does (1). > > > > Actually, the github issue lists 3 options, but here you just list 2. > > In reviewing tomorrow's slides with Mahesh, he preferred 2 options. > And as varying the encoding by receiver seems unlikely in > implementation Why is this unlikely? Suppose I have two receivers for the same subscription, one wants NETCONF/XML and the other RESTCONF/JSON. Is that unlikely? > , there is little reason to socialize this unlikely variant before > the whole WG. Since as your opinion was either both encoding and > transport or neither encoding and transport vary by receiver, the > more likely of your primary ask is supported. > > > > I think the point is that in the term "Transport", we need to include both > > protocol and encoding (in the case the protocol supports multiple > > encodings). > > While most likely the case for NETCONF and RESTCONF, Tianran's > draft-ietf-netconf-udp-pub-channel shows that there can be encoding > variation by transports . It Therefore it seems better to let them > both vary independently. Not sure I understand what you mean. To be clear, do you think the "encoding" leaf should stay where it is, or be moved down to the receiver, as a sibling to "protocol"? /martin
- [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary across … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Issue SN #4: Can Transport vary acr… Eric Voit (evoit)