Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-09.txt]
Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> Wed, 02 July 2014 13:52 UTC
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Hi Pierrick, This should be fine. I've put similar statements in previous documents and I haven't had any problems so far. The statement just refers to my work (e.g., supporting travels, etc). Carlos On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 13:37 +0000, pierrick.seite@orange.com wrote: > Hi, > > Just a minor comment: > > The acknowledgement section states that this work has been partially funded by the European Community via a research project. Is such statement acceptable for an IETF document? Shoudn't we remove this ack? > > Pierrick > > >-----Message d'origine----- > >De : Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano [mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es] > >Envoyé : mercredi 2 juillet 2014 02:38 > >À : Hidetoshi Yokota > >Cc : Sri Gundavelli; SEITE Pierrick IMT/OLN; netext@ietf.org > >Objet : Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob- > >09.txt] > > > >Hi Hidetoshi, > > > >Thanks again for your comments. Please see inline below some > >comments/replies from my side: > > > >On Sun, 2014-06-29 at 22:32 +0900, Hidetoshi Yokota wrote: > >> Hi Carlos, > >> > >> I briefly reviewed the updated draft and have a couple of comments. > >> > >> o The messages named as FMI/FMA in this document are actually > >UPN/UPA, > >> so the description is confusing since it looks as if new messages were > >> defined. I would propose a new flag or notification reason/status code > >> to indicate that UPN/UPA are used for flow mobility. > > > >The use of FMI/FMA is simply to make clearer that these UPN/UPA messages > >are for flow mobility purposes. New notification reason codes are actually > >defined in the document for this purpose. > > > >> > >> o In the previous version, FMI could convey the Flow ID mobility > >> option, but the latest version can convey only HNPs. This looks like a > >> degradation and I'm not sure how both LMA and MAG can share the same > >> flow mobility cache. > > > >With the UPN/UPA signaling option, the document has never supported > >conveying the Flow ID mobility option. Ensuring that both the LMA and MAG > >keep the same flow mobility cache was out of the scope of the document. If > >the WG agrees, we could add the possibility of supporting UPN/UPA > >(FMI/FMA) optionally conveying the Flow ID mobility option. What do other > >people think? > > > >> > >> o The flow mobility operation such as "add" or "remove" should be able > >> to specify the targeted flow. To this end, the Flow ID mobility option > >> in RFC6089 should be used. The flow binding action sub-option defined > >> in > >> RFC7109 can be used for the flow mobility operation. > > > >In the current version "add" and "remove" are performed with prefix > >granularity (as I mentioned in a previous e-mail, this was the consensus > >reached some time ago, but we can revisit this if the WG wants to do so). > > > >Thanks! > > > >Carlos > > > >> > >> Please take these points into consideration. > >> > >> Regards, > >> -- > >> Hidetoshi > >> > >> (2014/06/26 7:05), Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I've just posted -10, now including only one single signaling > >> > mechanisms, as discussed on the ML. > >> > > >> > I think this version is ready for WGLC. > >> > > >> > Carlos > >> > > >> > On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 18:09 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: > >> >> Hi Carlos/All, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Can we plan to close this work in the next few days. AFAIK, this > >> >> FMI/FMA issue is now resolved. If you still doubt the consensus on > >> >> this issue, we can wait for 2 days for any comments and post the > >> >> next rev. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I'm hoping we will close this work this week and go LC on Monday > >> >> (if chairs agree). Waiting for Toronto meeting can delay the work > >> >> by another few months. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> Sri > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com> > >> >> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:46 AM > >> >> To: "pierrick.seite@orange.com" <pierrick.seite@orange.com>, > >> >> Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp>, "netext@ietf.org" > >> >> <netext@ietf.org> > >> >> Subject: Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: > >> >> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-09.txt] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi Pierrick, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> After the NETEXT meeting in London, we had some offline discussions > >> >> with Rajiv and folks. There is agreement to use the RFC-7077 (UPN) > >> >> messaging format for FMI/FMA. So, the Flow Mobility spec may refer > >> >> to this message as FMI/FMA, but the underneath messaging format > >> >> will confirm to RFC-7077 format and will have references to > >> >> RFC-7077. We are not going to define a new MH message. This closes > >> >> the key issue of using two notification approaches in the same > >> >> spec. AFAIK, no one has any objection to this. If any does, its now > >> >> time to speak up :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> Sri > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: "pierrick.seite@orange.com" <pierrick.seite@orange.com> > >> >> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 AM > >> >> To: Hidetoshi Yokota <yokota@kddilabs.jp>, "netext@ietf.org" > >> >> <netext@ietf.org> > >> >> Subject: Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: > >> >> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-09.txt] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi Hidetoshi/all, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Release -08 mandates RFC7077 and the doc was good, IMHO. But, in > >> >> London, we have decided (group consensus) to reintroduce FMI/FMA to > >> >> avoid dependency between RFC. Now, it’s true that introducing 2 > >> >> options for message format makes the solution more complex for > >> >> little added-value (no major differences between messages)… So, > >> >> maybe the question is “is it good or bad to have RFC dependency?” > >> >> then update the draft according the answer... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Pierrick > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> De : netext [mailto:netext-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > >> >> Hidetoshi Yokota Envoyé : jeudi 19 juin 2014 06:41 À : > >> >> netext@ietf.org Objet : Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: > >> >> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-09.txt] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hello Carlos, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for updating the draft. > >> >> I have a couple of questions and comments: > >> >> > >> >> o In Section 3.2.1, which is the shared prefix case, there is no > >> >> message exchange between the LMA and MAG, so there is no flow > >> >> information on the MAG side. It should work in the sense of > >> >> routing, but if, for example, each flow has a specific QoS, the MAG > >> >> should also need to know which flow should go on which QoS path > >> >> especially for upstream traffic towards the LMA. Or, the MAG may > >> >> want to send a trigger for flow mobility to the MN (the exact > >> >> mechanism is out of scope). Some mobility signaling should be there, > >too. > >> >> > >> >> o In Section 3.3, FMI/FMA are revived considering the case where > >> >> UPN is not supported, but they convey very little information. > >> >> There is no special information that cannot be conveyed by the existing > >messages. > >> >> Since RFC7077 is now a proposed standard, I cannot think of a > >> >> situation where the UPN/UPA are not supported, nevertheless > >FMI/FMA > >> >> are supported. It rather seems more natural to mandate the support > >> >> of > >> >> RFC7077 or to mandate FMI/FMA for all flow mobility operations. > >> >> Also, when compared with UPN/UPA case in Figure 4, FMI/FMA seem to > >> >> convey different set of parameters in Figure 7. Could you clarify > >> >> it a little bit more please? > >> >> > >> >> o In Section 3.3, just above Figure 7, there is a description: > >> >> "..., and the type of flow mobility operation (add flow)", but does > >> >> RFC6089 define such an operation code? This kind of operation > >> >> should also be defined in the draft. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Hidetoshi Yokota > >> >> > >> >> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. > >> >> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> (2014/06/14 2:16), Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> As agreed in London, I've updated the flow mobility draft to include > >> >> also the FMI/FMA signaling option (in addition to the use of Update > >> >> Notifications). The draft also includes a mechanism to allow selecting > >> >> which one of the two signaling mechanisms to use. > >> >> > >> >> In my personal opinion, it'd be much cleaner and simpler to just > >specify > >> >> one signaling mechanism, but this is up to the WG to decide. > >> >> > >> >> Comments, reviews and discussion on this new revision would be > >welcome. > >> >> Hopefully we could get at least a new revision before Toronto. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Carlos > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> netext mailing list > >> >> netext@ietf.org > >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netext > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >___________________________________________________________ > >________ > >> >> ______________________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > >> >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre > >> >> diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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- [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-pmip… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Hidetoshi Yokota
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… pierrick.seite
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Hidetoshi Yokota
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Hidetoshi Yokota
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Hidetoshi Yokota
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… pierrick.seite
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Brian Haberman
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Rajeev Koodli
- Re: [netext] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netext-… Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano