Re: [Nethistory] Need a change

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Fri, 04 January 2019 04:16 UTC

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Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:15:53 -0500
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Brian, what would you propose happen here? This list will not achieve
critical mass (although I now remember the launch fondly). Take it to ISOC?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 8:22 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> The only thing is, do we (for some value of "we") care about this?:
>
> >>> raise the awareness of IETF members about saving important historical
> archives and artifacts.
>
> If we close the list, we're saying either that we (the IETF) don't care, or
> that IETF people are already aware of the need to save stuff.
>
> I do care, because I've worked a bit on the history of computing and I'm
> very
> much aware of the historical value of personal records, alongside official
> sources. But whether this is worthy of IETF cycles is a separate question.
> It seems like something that should perhaps be an ISOC topic.
>