Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networking, a possible methodology
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 26 May 2013 02:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networking, a possible methodology
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On 26/05/2013 14:00, George Michaelson wrote: > I said this at the Orlando meeting but I'd like to repeat it here: > > There is an entire discipline dedicated to collecting, curating, archiving. > > There is an entire discipline dedicated to collecting oral history. > > Why does the IETF always have to act as if it, and only it, is capable of > defining how to do _anything_ ? > > Instead of beating our heads against the wall 'designing' how to do net > history, why don't we do outreach to the people who have formalized > processes and methods, to collect, collate and archive this kind of thing? I thought that was the idea; at least that was how I interpreted Elizabeth Feinler's message. But sourcing the raw data is something that only the networking community itself can do, and a structure for that is needed. I think you'll find there's already oral history around from some pioneers, in the generic oral history collections. For example, http://conservancy.umn.edu/handle/107241. Fairly obviously, whatever we collect would be best added to one of the existing archives. Brian > > Sometimes, we aren't actually the right people to do things. > > Lets get in touch with the Sussex University social history people, the > history of science schools in the US, Asia, and lets get them assigning > their brilliant minds to this problem. They have students, dying for theses > topics, students who need honors projects, busting to be assigned something > juicy to work on. > > Lets get them working on us. > > -George > > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: > >> On 5/25/2013 4:59 AM, Jack Haverty wrote: >> >>> For example, I recently did some garage archaeology and unearthed my >>> notebooks from the late 70s and early 80s with all my notes from various >>> meetings of TCP, IP, ICCB/IAB, and other meetings of the early working >>> groups. If I scan them before the ink blurs beyond readability, where >>> should I FTP the files...? >>> >> >> When considering an effort to specify a mechanism, I'm a fan of use cases, >> to guide everyone's thinking. Use cases are typically simple, concrete, >> direct and realistic. >> >> The above seems to me to be one of the more iconic examples for the >> current effort. I'd think that if the effort develops a useful, scalable >> answer, it will have significantly improved the world's long-term archiving >> of Internet historical data. >> >> What other questions should be on the list? >> >> d/ >> >> -- >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Nethistory mailing list >> Nethistory@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/nethistory<https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Nethistory mailing list > Nethistory@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory
- [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networking… Elizabeth Feinler
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Scott Brim
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Joe Abley
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Juliao Braga
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… SM
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Elizabeth Feinler
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Jack Haverty
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… George Michaelson
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Marc Weber
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Andrew Russell
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Jack Haverty
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Geoff Thompson
- Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networ… Don Nielson
- [Nethistory] Networking records in National Archi… Andrew Russell