Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networking, a possible methodology

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 26 May 2013 02:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Nethistory] Collecting the history of networking, a possible methodology
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On 26/05/2013 14:00, George Michaelson wrote:
> I said this at the Orlando meeting but I'd like to repeat it here:
> 
> There is an entire discipline dedicated to collecting, curating, archiving.
> 
> There is an entire discipline dedicated to collecting oral history.
> 
> Why does the IETF always have to act as if it, and only it, is capable of
> defining how to do _anything_ ?
> 
> Instead of beating our heads against the wall 'designing' how to do net
> history, why don't we do outreach to the people who have formalized
> processes and methods, to collect, collate and archive this kind of thing?

I thought that was the idea; at least that was how I interpreted
Elizabeth Feinler's message. But sourcing the raw data is something
that only the networking community itself can do, and a structure for
that is needed.

I think you'll find there's already oral history around from some
pioneers, in the generic oral history collections. For example,
http://conservancy.umn.edu/handle/107241. Fairly obviously, whatever
we collect would be best added to one of the existing archives.

     Brian
> 
> Sometimes, we aren't actually the right people to do things.
> 
> Lets get in touch with the Sussex University social history people, the
> history of science schools in the US, Asia, and lets get them assigning
> their brilliant minds to this problem. They have students, dying for theses
> topics, students who need honors projects, busting to be assigned something
> juicy to work on.
> 
> Lets get them working on us.
> 
> -George
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/25/2013 4:59 AM, Jack Haverty wrote:
>>
>>> For example, I recently did some garage archaeology and unearthed my
>>> notebooks from the late 70s and early 80s with all my notes from various
>>> meetings of TCP, IP, ICCB/IAB, and other meetings of the early working
>>> groups.  If I scan them before the ink blurs beyond readability, where
>>> should I FTP the files...?
>>>
>>
>> When considering an effort to specify a mechanism, I'm a fan of use cases,
>> to guide everyone's thinking.  Use cases are typically simple, concrete,
>> direct and realistic.
>>
>> The above seems to me to be one of the more iconic examples for the
>> current effort.  I'd think that if the effort develops a useful, scalable
>> answer, it will have significantly improved the world's long-term archiving
>> of Internet historical data.
>>
>> What other questions should be on the list?
>>
>> d/
>>
>> --
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
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