Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis
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Subject: Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 03:30:32PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
>
> Here's what is intuitive to me:
>
> - date YYYY-MM-DD
> - time hh:mm:ss
>
> Effectively your proposal. I question if "date-with-zone" or "time-with-zone" are ever needed. Certainly not "date-with-zone", as there is no way to reason about it. As for "time-with-zone", I'm suspicious, as I've never seen it disconnected from a "date" before.
>
This is what xsd:date and xsd:time do, see section 3.2.8 and 2.3.9 of
<https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/> and the intention was to provide
a type that is compatible with the XSD definitions. I guess W3C also
surprises their users. ;-)
I will change the names and we need to answer the question whether we
want to provide in addition types that are compatible with the XSD
types or not.
/js
PS: The reason for date-with-zone is that it specifies an unambiguous
24 hour interval. If you state the deadline is 2022-04-08, then
this means different things in different time zones. If you write
2022-04-08Z, then this ambiguity goes away. Perhaps nobody does
this in the real world because people are prepared to deal with
the ambiguity somehow but I can see reasons why XSD people went
this way.
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- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… tom petch
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Jürgen Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf… Kent Watsen