[netmod] Reset tags RPC [was Re: Action and RPC statements]
Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Mon, 06 November 2017 17:08 UTC
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Subject: [netmod] Reset tags RPC [was Re: Action and RPC statements]
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Renaming this sub thread to avoid confusing the main discussion. On 06/11/2017 16:48, Lou Berger wrote: > On 11/06/2017 11:41 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: >> >> On 06/11/2017 15:51, Lou Berger wrote: >>> >>> On November 6, 2017 10:21:19 AM Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> >>>> All of proposed solutions (A through D) allow the action or the RPC to >>>> perform whatever behaviour that it wants. >>>> >>>> This issue is only about which datastore is used to evaluate and check >>>> that the parameters for the action/rpc are valid. E.g. if the >>>> parameters use when, must, leaf-ref, or instance-identifier. >>>> >>>> So, to take option "A" for example: "A. Always use <operational> for 1 >>>> and 2." >>>> >>>> One can still define a RPC that modifies another datastore ("edit-data" >>>> in the NETCONF NMDA draft is one such example). But to check whether >>>> the edit-data request can be performed, any input parameter constraints >>>> would be evaluated against <operational>. However, given that the input >>>> parameters to edit-data don't contain any when, must, leaf-ref, or >>>> instance-identifier statements then it makes absolutely no functional >>>> difference which the datastore the parameters are evaluated in, since >>>> the result will always be the same regardless. But perhaps it just >>>> feels a little odd that they are conceptually evaluated against >>>> operational, even though the RPC only even affects one of the editable >>>> configurable datastores. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, which is why I've been assuming we'd end up with c. >> But I think that to do C properly also requires a new optional statement >> in YANG to indicate where the Action/RPC parameters are evaluated (with >> the default being <operational> if the new statement isn't specified). >> >> Most RPCs/Action statements seem to naturally apply to <operational>. >> >> For the RPCs/Action statements that don't naturally apply to >> <operational>, it seems that it mostly doesn't matter where the >> parameters are evaluated. >> >> At the moment, the set of remaining RPCs/Actions (don't apply to >> <operational> but do care about parameter evaluation) seems quite small: >> (i) RFC7517, if it defined a YANG model for the <partial-lock> RPC >> (ii) A partial datastore diff from a subtree in <intended> to >> <operational> might be another - it would want an instance-identifier >> path to the subtree in <intended>. >> (iii) Perhaps I2RS and dynamic datastores may also throw up some new >> examples. > The tags draft has an RPC to 'reset to default state'. I could see > wanting the reset to be persistent or not depending on actual usage... OK, I don't understand why this RPC is needed at all. If the tags are managed through config (which I think that they are), then calling the "reset to default state" RPC should be equivalent to a normal list entry delete for that module anyway. Why do you need two methods to achieve the same thing? Or does this RPC do something slightly different? Personally, I think that it would be better if the only way of editing configuration is through an <edit-config/edit-data> RPC. A couple of other nits on the tags draft: - the tree diagram in 6.1 doesn't cover the config, perhaps it is out of date. - I would put list module-tags into a container (e.g. to make it easier to delete, or replace, all tag information). - do the configured tags replace the devices list or merge with them (perhaps this could be clarified)? If merge, then presumably you also need a way to delete existing entries. E.g. perhaps "grouping module-tags" also needs a separate leaf-list of tags to delete (really hide) from the implementation? Thanks, Rob > > Lou >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >> > . >
- [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Martin Bjorklund
- [netmod] Action and RPC statements [was Re: augme… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] augment YANG 1.0 with YANG 1.1 OK? Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements [was Re: a… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements [was Re: a… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements [was Re: a… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Alexander Clemm
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Phil Shafer
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Alexander Clemm
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Alexander Clemm
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Phil Shafer
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- [netmod] Reset tags RPC [was Re: Action and RPC s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] Action and RPC statements t.petch