Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? module naming convention for NMDA transition. Re: upcoming adoptions
Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> Mon, 09 October 2017 21:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? module naming convention for NMDA transition. Re: upcoming adoptions
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On 10/6/2017 6:01 PM, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > On 06/10/2017 16:32, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >> Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> [including the routing and multicast YANG design teams] >>> Can we please finalize the discussion regarding ietf-routing versus >>> ietf-routing-2, sooner than later. >>> >>> I care about the NMDA transition strategy. >>> >>> Here are all the ietf-routing dependent YANG modules (those modules >>> that depend on ietf-routing) >>> https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/impact_analysis.php?modules[]=ietf-routing&recurse=0&rfcs=1&show_subm=1&show_dir=dependents >>> >>> So many YANG modules. >>> >>> Look at the difference for ietf-routing-2: >>> https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/impact_analysis.php?modules[]=ietf-routing-2&recurse=0&rfcs=1&show_subm=1&show_dir=dependents >>> >>> Some dependent modules are compliant with ietf-routing-2, the >>> multicast YANG modules, but these are the only ones. >>> >>> Changing the module name from ietf-routing to ietf-routing-2 implies >>> that the we have to warn all draft authors of ietf-routing YANG >>> dependent modules: >>> 1. to make sure they are aware of ietf-routing-2 (publishing a >>> RFC8022bis mentioning in the module description that this module is >>> not compatible with the NMDA architecture, and providing a pointer to >>> ietf-routing-2 ... is not an automatic way... so barely useful) >>> 2. to ask them to change their import to ietf-routing-2 >>> Hopefully, in the routing case, it's mainly the IETF. >>> I'm glad that we didn't change the ietf-interfaces to >>> ietf-interfaces-2, we would have to deal with cross >>> SDO/consortia/opensource project issues >>> Note: >>> >>> we're in a transition phase today, while we implement the >>> soon-to-be-published draft-clacla-netmod-model-catalog-02 >>> Because of this, the SDO/consortia/opensource dependent YANG >>> modules >>> will only appear in the Impact Analysis tomorrow at >>> https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/impact_analysis.php?modules[]=ietf-interfaces&recurse=0&rfcs=1&show_subm=1&show_dir=dependents >>> In the mean time, you can see all these dependent modules >>> Ex: >>> https://www.yangcatalog.org/yang-search/module_details.php?module=ietf-interfaces >>> => click on "dependents" >>> Those dependent modules is a new feature of >>> draft-clacla-netmod-model-catalog-02 >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if this NMDA transition hurdle doesn't make a good >>> justification to keep the same module name! >>> We could debate whether ietf-routing is implemented or not, but the >>> point is moot: we don't know what we don't know. >> Agreed. I think there are no real reasons for keeping the module name >> and deprecate the old defintiions. Yes, it adds some noise to the >> module but the fact is that we do deprecate all these defintions, and >> I think we should not hide that. > This is also my preferred option. > > I would like to just deprecate these nodes now, and then (for the > routing module that is unlikely to have been widely implement) update > it again in a 1-2 years time to remove the deprecated nodes (we can > warn now that they will get removed). According to Acee, there is one ietf-routing implementation (based on an old draft version). If the point is that we don't want ietf-routing implementations to implement "deprecated" leaves, can we "obsolete" them now. RFC 7950: 7.21.2. The "status" Statement The "status" statement takes as an argument one of the strings "current", "deprecated", or "obsolete". o "current" means that the definition is current and valid. o "deprecated" indicates an obsolete definition, but it permits new/continued implementation in order to foster interoperability with older/existing implementations. o "obsolete" means that the definition is obsolete and SHOULD NOT be implemented and/or can be removed from implementations. Advantages: - we keep the same ietf-routing YANG module names - new implementations don't implement the "obsolete" parts. Regards, Benoit > > Conversely, for ietf interfaces (which is much more likely to be > widely implemented), I think that they should move to obsolete after > 1-2 years and then hopefully be removed 1-2 years after that. > > Thanks, > Rob > > >> >> >> /martin >> >> >> >>> Regarding one point made by Andy: >>> >>> I should explain the use-case for identifying NMDA vs. >>> NMDA-transition modules. >>> I do not want to present both types (for a given module) to the >>> user. >>> So the tools need to know in "NMDA mode" which modules are >>> duplicates >>> for NMDA-transition purpose only, so those modules can be hidden >>> from the user. >>> In "legacy mode" the NMDA modules would be hidden and the >>> transition >>> modules >>> would be exposed to the user instead. >>> >>> Guessing which is which will only cause unhappy customers so we >>> will >>> force >>> vendors to tag the modules with our own YANG extensions to tell >>> them >>> apart. >>> >>> We recognized this use case and tagged the YANG module "tree-type" in >>> the YANG catalog. >>> In the soon-to-be-published but already implemented >>> draft-clacla-netmod-model-catalog-02 draft, you will see: >>> >>> leaf tree-type { >>> type enumeration { >>> enum "split" { >>> description >>> "This module uses a split config/operational state >>> layout."; >>> } >>> enum "nmda-compatible" { >>> description >>> "This module is compatible with the Network Management >>> Datastores >>> Architecture (NMDA) and combines config and >>> operational state >>> nodes."; >>> } >>> enum "transitional-extra" { >>> description >>> "This module is derived as a '-state' module to >>> allow for >>> transitioning >>> to a full NMDA-compliant tree structure."; >>> } >>> enum "openconfig" { >>> description >>> "This module uses the Openconfig data element >>> layout."; >>> } >>> enum "unclassified" { >>> description >>> "This module does not belong to any category or >>> can't be >>> determined."; >>> } >>> enum "not-applicable" { >>> description >>> "This module is not applicable. For example, >>> because the YANG >>> module only contains typedefs, groupings, or is a >>> submodule"; >>> } >>> } >>> description >>> "The type of data element tree used by the module as it >>> relates to >>> the >>> Network Management Datastores Architecture."; >>> reference "draft-dsdt-nmda-guidelines Guidelines for YANG >>> Module >>> Authors (NMDA)"; >>> } >>> description >>> "Grouping of YANG module metadata that extends the common >>> list >>> defined in the YANG >>> Module Library (RFC 7895)."; >>> } >>> >>> >>> If not convinced already, I hope that you start to see the YANG >>> catalog value for the industry. >>> Let's keep in mind that automation is key. Therefore, YANG modules >>> without module details (metadata) and related tools is not sufficient >>> for the industry. >>> >>> Regards, Benoit >>>> Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 15/09/2017 16:23, Andy Bierman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> So are you saying the NMDA transition strategy should be ignored? >>>>>> >>>>>> My personal preference for the routing modules would be to keep the >>>>>> same >>>>>> module name and deprecate the old nodes. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I doubt that there are many implementations of this 8022 >>>>>> yet, >>>>>> and >>>>>> if the authors prefer to use a new namespace without the old nodes >>>>>> then I'm >>>>>> fine with that also. Are you opposed to this approach? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> A new module name mandates a new namespace, so they go together. >>>>> Abandoning the old module is fine, except leaving that module with >>>>> status >>>>> "current" is not fine. >>>>> IMO you need to republish the old module as well, with everything >>>>> status >>>>> obsolete. >>>> I don't agree with this. The "status" tag is justified for subsequent >>>> revisions of the same module so as to aid old clients. >>>> >>>> But if the module name and namespace URI are different, there is no >>>> such >>>> concern. Modules contained in RFCs 7223, 8022 etc. just define some >>>> schemas that happen to be good for my purposes. So I want to be able >>>> to >>>> continue using them, and don't want tools to issue useless warnings or >>>> even refuse to process such modules. >>>> >>>> I am fine though with making a new revision of ietf-routing >>>> etc. mentioning in the module description that this module is not >>>> compatible with the NMDA architecture, and providing a pointer to >>>> ietf-routing-2. >>>> >>>> Lada >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> E.g. For ietf-interfaces, and ietf-ip, which are older, and hence >>>>>> probably >>>>>> much more widely implemented then I think that the modules should be >>>>>> updated in place with the existing state tree deprecated. I.e. I >>>>>> support >>>>>> what Martin has done in his IDs, and don't want this to change. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the problem with deprecated nodes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing really, but I guess that they are likely to be baggage >>>>>> that is >>>>>> going to be around for a long time even if very few people ever >>>>>> implement >>>>>> the deprecated nodes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why aren't you following your own transition strategy? >>>>>> >>>>>> Really because I'm not an author, both solutions seem valid, and I >>>>>> actually think just reaching a conclusion quickly is more important >>>>>> than >>>>>> which particular solution is chosen. I don't see any advantage is >>>>>> pushing >>>>>> back the adoption call - it seems like it will probably just delay >>>>>> when we >>>>>> can do WG LC. >>>>>> >>>>>> I actually think that the bigger question that needs to be >>>>>> resolved is >>>>>> whether we need an optional extension to mark a module as NMDA >>>>>> compatible, >>>>>> or for the extra NMDA state module, as I think that both you and Tom >>>>>> have >>>>>> been asking for. >>>>>> >>>>> I am no fan of YANG conformance. >>>>> The WG does not seem to understand the difference between >>>>> (A) what a server is supposed to do >>>>> (B) what a server claims to do >>>>> >>>>> There is no way to express (A) in a YANG module, just (B) in the new >>>>> yang-library. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/09/2017 15:52, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With respect to WG adoption, we will do whatever the WG decides >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> RFC 8022 model. We have a strong preference toward not carrying >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> deprecated nodes forward and new module versions appears to be >>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> to achieve this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can we not adopt regardless? We know that we are going to bis >>>>>>> 8022, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> having an adopted draft gives it a bit more legitimacy and helps >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> folks to migrate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or perhaps we can start the call for adoption and continue to >>>>>>> try and >>>>>>> resolve this issue at the same time ;-). I think that it would be >>>>>>> good to >>>>>>> try and get the updated model drafts to WG LC by Singapore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that it hasn't been asked yet, but I support adoption of any >>>>>>> 8022 >>>>>>> bis draft that (i) provides the correct NDMA combined tree (ii) >>>>>>> removes or >>>>>>> deprecates the old state nodes :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, if I'm being pushy :-) >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Lada that deprecating all the schema nodes is >>>>>>>> unnecessary. >>>>>>>> However, we’ll do what it takes to reach consensus and satisfy the >>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> pedantic among us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/15/17, 6:38 AM, "netmod on behalf of Ladislav Lhotka" >>>>>>>> <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kent Watsen píše v Čt 14. 09. 2017 v 14:52 +0000: >>>>>>>>>> rfc8022bis-02 signals the intent to ditch the >>>>>>>>>> current/soon-to-be-legacy >>>>>>>>>> module, but does it actually say it? (I can't find it) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The modules contained therein have different names and >>>>>>>>> namespaces, so >>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>> no formal ancestry. I would prefer to keep the modules from >>>>>>>>> RFC 8022 >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>> - some weirdos may still want to use them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The draft does say that it obsoletes 8022, but I'm unsure if >>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>> have a meaningful impact in the wild. I think Juergen said >>>>>>>>>> they had >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> issue with MIB2 and only after a couple years of misuse did they >>>>>>>>>> republish the >>>>>>>>>> legacy MIBs with deprecated status. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm okay with this change being made after adoption, so long as >>>>>>>>>> there's >>>>>>>>>> general agreement to do it. Are the authors okay with it, or >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> better suggestions? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS: Sadly, the 'module' statement does not have 'status' as a >>>>>>>>>> substatement [I >>>>>>>>>> just added this omission to the yang-next tracker]. I think >>>>>>>>>> the only >>>>>>>>>> way to >>>>>>>>>> "deprecate a module" is to instead deprecate the all the >>>>>>>>>> nodes/rpcs/notifications in the module. Kind of ugly, but >>>>>>>>>> it's for a >>>>>>>>>> deprecated module, so who care, right? ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think it is unnecessary. If somebody needs adding such a >>>>>>>>> module to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> data >>>>>>>>> model, he/she should probably have a reason to do so, such as >>>>>>>>> data >>>>>>>>> implemented >>>>>>>>> on the server. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kent >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/14/2017 9:37 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kent & Lou, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When do you think that it will be possible to start the >>>>>>>>>>> adoption >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> process >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on these drafts? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that the first two at least would seem to be ready for >>>>>>>>>>> adoption. For the 3rd draft, there still seems to be an open >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of what to do with the old state tree, but presumably that >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> solved after the draft has been adopted? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see an update for the third was published yesterday >>>>>>>>>> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis-02) >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> clarifies the intent is to replace the current modules, and >>>>>>>>>> presumably >>>>>>>>>> obsolete 8022. And now that this intended direction is clear >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> draft we could poll it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think this still doesn't address if we need to indicate >>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>> rfc8022 defined modules are deprecated by some other >>>>>>>>>> mechanisms than >>>>>>>>>> just replacing the RFC, e.g., by updating the old modules >>>>>>>>>> with all >>>>>>>>>> nodes >>>>>>>>>> marked as deprecated. I think you're right that this could >>>>>>>>>> be done >>>>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>>>> adoption. Of course others are free to disagree. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I check with Kent and see what he thinks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 30/08/2017 00:46, Kent Watsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As discussed at the last meeting, we are heading to revising >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> existing RFCs >>>>>>>>>>> to align them with NMDA. The first batch have been >>>>>>>>>>> published as >>>>>>>>>>>> individual drafts: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis-00 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis-00 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis-00 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look (comments welcome!) and stay tuned for the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>> adoption calls. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Kent (and Lou) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ladislav Lhotka >>>>>>>>> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >>>>>>>>> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>>>> >>>>>> > > . >
- [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? module n… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Benoit Claise
- [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] ietf-routing or i… Lou Berger