Re: [netmod] schema mount and YANG library

[Juergen Schoenwaelder <[e-mail]>]

Thanks. The longer WG last call thread started with Rob's message in
which he also asked about alignment with the YANG library update
(posted November 2nd). So the document is in a limbo state since
November 6th.

/js

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:58:15PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> It was WG Last Call’ed: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/csUvs6408En0yY-vapyU3IFcJqQ
> 
> And it was closed: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/gbXE4Le1I_3Y5oaNnpjYoZZZ4lw
> 
> However, it may not have ever completed.
> 
> Thanks,
> Acee 
> 
> On 1/22/18, 11:45 AM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>     Acee,
>     
>     the documents that have already finished WG Last Call have a normative
>     reference on schema mount, which has not yet finished WG Last Call as
>     far as I recall. I think the RFC editor does not publish a document
>     with a missing normative reference. I continue to believe that the
>     time difference between doing the right thing and doing something
>     faster using definition we are in the process to deprecate is really
>     small. But of course, I may be entirely wrong.
>     
>     /js
>     
>     On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:18:15PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>     > Hi Lada, 
>     > 
>     > My primary concern is that the YANG Schema Mount delay will not only hold the NI/LNE but all the models that are dependent on them (e.g., L2VPN and L3VPN). This is for a document that has already finished WG Last Call. Additionally, your estimate for the size of the change and time to reach standardization is based on there being immediate consensus on the changes. This is probably overly optimistic given there was discussion on the proposed YANG Library BIS changes. I’d vote to publish the existing draft. 
>     > 
>     > In any case, being able to see the proposed changes ASAP is critical. 
>     > 
>     > Thanks,
>     > Acee
>     > 
>     > On 1/22/18, 8:45 AM, "netmod on behalf of Ladislav Lhotka" <[e-mail] on behalf of [e-mail]> wrote:
>     > 
>     >     Juergen Schoenwaelder <[e-mail]> writes:
>     >     
>     >     > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 06:05:15PM +0000, Robert Wilton wrote:
>     >     >> 
>     >     >> Hence, for me, I see the choice as:
>     >     >> 1) do we publish the existing model now (perhaps also mark the draft as
>     >     >> experimental) followed by an updated draft with the NMDA compatible module?
>     >     >> 2) do we publish both models in a single draft (e.g. with the existing model
>     >     >> in an appendix)?
>     >     >> 3) do we only publish a single version of the draft with an NMDA compliant
>     >     >> solution.
>     >     >>
>     >     >
>     >     > I think the situation is as follows (likely obvious but it may help to
>     >     > make sure we are all on the same page):
>     >     >
>     >     > - the NI and LNE models have a normative reference to
>     >     >   I-D.ietf-netmod-schema-mount (and this makes sense since there are
>     >     >   MUST sentences in the I-D)
>     >     >
>     >     > - I-D.ietf-netmod-schema-mount (last updated in October) has normative
>     >     >   references to RFC 7895 (old YANG library)
>     >     >
>     >     > - RFC 7895 does not work with NMDA, NMDA work on a YANG library update
>     >     >   replacing RFC 7895
>     >     >
>     >     > So the YANG library update is gating the schema mount update which is
>     >     > gating the publication of the NI and LNE models.
>     >     >
>     >     > A proper solution would be to prioritize work on the YANG library
>     >     > update and the schema mount update. I assume that the next revision of
>     >     > the YANG library update (say end of January) is ready for WG last call
>     >     > and perhaps the schema mount authors can take an effort to get that
>     >     > document there as well, say beginning of February.
>     >     
>     >     I completely agree.
>     >     
>     >     Lada
>     >     
>     >     >
>     >     > /js
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