Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> Tue, 09 October 2018 17:17 UTC

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From: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>
To: Alexander Clemm <alexander.clemm@huawei.com>, Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00
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I agree that a mandatory to implement format is desirable.

I disagree that YANG-Patch is the right format, for reasons
stated before.  I feel that a compromise of this sort for
a mandatory-to-implement is wrong.

If this is what the WG wants, I withdraw my support.

Kent // contributor



-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Clemm <alexander.clemm@huawei.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2018 at 5:05 PM
To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00

I would second the request for one format (which is mandatory to support), which must be specified.  YANG-Patch is the logical candidate IMHO.  

To allow selection of other formats using an input parameter makes sense, but adds some complexity from there:  How to know which formats are supported?  (Add a list of supported formats somewhere?)   Or simply rely on augmentation for those implementations that want it?  

--- Alex

> -----Original Message-----
> From: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ladislav Lhotka
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 12:50 AM
> To: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; Andy Bierman
> <andy@yumaworks.com>; Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-
> university.de>; netmod@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00
> 
> Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> writes:
> 
> > Sure, one mandatory to implement format, others nice to have.
> > Interoperability good.  Agreed.
> >
> > But why YANG-patch and not something built for the purpose (e.g.,
> > YANG-diff) that, in particular, provides an actual diff as opposed to
> > a data-tree operation that only shows one of the two values?
> 
> Such a format can be developed independently, I would support it.
> 
> Lada
> 
> >
> > Kent // contributor
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/18, 3:27 PM, "Andy Bierman"
> <andy@yumaworks.com<mailto:andy@yumaworks.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder
> <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de<mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-
> university.de>> wrote:
> > Folks, the more formats there are, the less interoperability we get.
> > If there are multiple formats, is there a mandatory to implement
> > format? Does the mandatory to implement format depend on the protocol
> > that is being used?
> >
> > I prefer one format or if necessary I am fine with one mandatory to
> > implement format. An open ended collection of implementation specific
> > formats is super flexible but defeats the purpose of a standard,
> > namely interoperability.
> >
> > I agree there needs to be 1 mandatory-to-implement format.
> >
> > IMO this needs to be YANG Patch because it is more precise then
> > constructing an XML tree with operation attributes in it (e.g., how
> > else do you represent a delete or a move?) Also, YANG Push is using
> > YANG Patch format and common code for push and diff would be possible.
> >
> > I think other formats should be allowed.
> > This is very tool-specific. I could see how somebody might want a
> > textual patch of the XML representation to produce the new XML
> representation.
> >
> >
> > /js
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 05:41:22PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
> >> We agree that the diff-format should be client-selectable, modulo what the
> server supports.  yang-patch and edit-config both are viable.  Should we
> document them both?
> >>
> >> That said, since neither edit-config nor yang-patch are diffing formats, so
> much as formats for converting one data tree to another, would it make sense
> to define an actual diffing format?  I would think that a diff would provide both
> values, not just a new value.
> >>
> >> Kent // contributor
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: netmod
> >> <netmod-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf
> >> of Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz<mailto:lhotka@nic.cz>>
> >> Organization: CZ.NIC
> >> Date: Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 1:11 PM
> >> To: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com<mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>>,
> >> "netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>"
> >> <netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>>
> >> Subject: Re: [netmod] WG adoption poll for
> >> draft-clemm-netmod-nmda-diff-00
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 14:17 +0100, Robert Wilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 04/10/2018 13:51, Ladislav Lhotka wrote:
> >> > > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 13:36 +0100, Robert Wilton wrote:
> >> > > > On 04/10/2018 11:14, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> >> > > > > Phil Shafer <phil@juniper.net<mailto:phil@juniper.net>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > Bal?zs Lengyel writes:
> >> > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tool
> >> > > > > > > s.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dclemm-2Dnetmod-2Dnmda-2Ddiff-2D00
> >> > > > > > > &d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-
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> >> > > > > > > sjqzuIw9yUq_xee6aFJOcw&e=
> >> > > > > > [I've moved to a "deep lurker" role here, but ...]
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Can we ensure this model contains a "format" leaf in the RPC's input
> >> > > > > > so that future (and proprietary) formats can be supported?   That
> >> > > > > > leaf can be an identityref that defaults to yang-patch.
> >> > > > > I think this is a good idea.  I would prefer the edit-config
> >> > > > > format over YANG patch for describing a diff.  The
> >> > > > > edit-config format is more suited for this purpose imo.
> >> > > > +1
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I would like something closer to edit-config to be available
> >> > > > via RESTCONF as well.
> >> > > YANG Patch is IMO better because it clearly separates the target
> >> > > for the edits from the new content.
> >> > > In edit-config these two are mixed together.
> >> > Yes, that is primarily why I prefer the edit-config.  I perceive
> >> > that it is a denser and more efficient format.  I think that it is
> >> > both easier to construct (when diffing two trees) and also more
> >> > efficient to apply when generating an updated tree.
> >>
> >> Except for certain corner cases, for example if two trees differ only
> >> in the value of a single leaf but this leaf happens to be a list key.
> >>
> >> Lada
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > That being said, I support specifying format/media-type and
> >> > > having potentially multiple options.
> >> > >
> >> > > Lada
> >> > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > Rob
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > /martin
> >> > > > >
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