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Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix is normative

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Mon, 18 September 2017 13:46 UTC

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From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix is normative
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Hi Tom.

    A few observations:


On 9/15/2017 12:28 PM, t.petch wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:06 PM
>
>> On 9/14/2017 12:36 PM, t.petch wrote:
>>> Appendices are Normative if they say that they are Normative.  The
>>> default is that they are not so say that they are and they are.
> This is
>>> well established practice.
>> Hi Tom,
>> My memory (I haven't checked recently) is there is nothing in or
>> defined process that says if an Appendix is normative or not. Other
>> SDOs certainly have formal definitions here. Within the IETF, my view
>> has been that if an appendix includes RFC2119 language, it is
>> normative. Actually, strictly speaking, any text in a Standards Track
>> RFC that doesn't include RFC2119 language is just informative.
> Lou
>
> Try RFC4910.
>
> '   This appendix is normative. '
>
> and not a SHOULD or a MUST in sight.

- This is an Experimental not Proposed Standard RFC. 

- As an organization, we've improved or differentiation of normative and
informative text over the last 10 years

- The RFC editor still does *not* require use of RFC2119 language, see
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-4.8.2
Lou
> Tom Petch
>
>> Lou
>>
>

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