Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-18: (with COMMENT)
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Fri, 09 March 2018 06:28 UTC
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 07:28:03 +0100
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>, NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-18: (with COMMENT)
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 05:55:17PM -0600, Adam Roach wrote: > > §4.11.2: > > > > > The following typedef from [RFC6991] demonstrates the proper use of > > > the "pattern" statement: > > > > > > typedef ipv4-address-no-zone { > > > type inet:ipv4-address { > > > pattern '[0-9\.]*'; > > > } > > > ... > > > } > > > > By contrast, RFC 6021 has a somewhat more complex production: > > > > pattern > > '(([0-9]|[1-9][0-9]|1[0-9][0-9]|2[0-4][0-9]|25[0-5])\.){3}' > > + '([0-9]|[1-9][0-9]|1[0-9][0-9]|2[0-4][0-9]|25[0-5])' > > + '(%[\p{N}\p{L}]+)?'; > > > > Is there any consensus on how complex the pattern validation > > should be? I've > > seen some YANG modules with patterns that occupied more than half > > a page. Is > > that encouraged, discouraged, or neither? It seems some guidance > > on this > > specific issue would be useful, as the currently published modules > > appear to be > > all over the map on this topic. > > > > > > Not changing any text since the pattern complexity depends on the > > structure > > of the text that is being modeled. > > It's a little more than that; it comes down to the purpose of the regex, and > how much validation is expected to be provided. For example, ignoring the > interface designation, the validation of IP addresses between the two > productions above is radically different. The second one is set up so that > anything it matches will be a syntactically correct IP address. The first > one, by contrast, would accept any of the following as valid: > > * 999.999.999.999 > * 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.3 > * 17 > * ....... This is a misunderstanding how YANG works. ipv4-address-no-zone is derived from ipv4-address and hence all the ipv4-address rules apply as well. Your examples will all be rejected. > This seems a bit more than academic to me: given that modules are included > into other modules, wild inconsistencies in validation philosophies can be > surprising to users. For example, if an operator gets used to the syntax for > IP addresses generating warnings or errors when they are out of range, then > they may be frustrated to discover that IP addresses in other locations are > not. > > Clearly, the items that have already been published can't be changed, but it > seems like there is room for guidance about whether to optimize for simple > regexes, or for more rigorous ones. In some cases, patterns are kept simpler but more specific text is in the description statement. A pattern is one of several mechanisms to constrain the value space. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-… Adam Roach
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Adam Roach
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Adam Roach
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Adam Roach
- Re: [netmod] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-i… Kent Watsen