Re: [netmod] IETF91 NETMOD agenda ?

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From: Dean Bogdanovic <deanb@juniper.net>
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Balazs,

Why would be hard for anyone to look through the list, based on the title decide what is interesting, look up the draft online and read the introduction chapter? Knowing our capability to end things on time, highly doubt that we could go through 70 drafts in 15 minutes.

Dean

On Nov 5, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com<mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>> wrote:

"And what do you hope to achieve with this? You'll hear 1 or 2 sentence per draft and probably will not get more info."
Yes, thats exactly what I would like, an overview of the modeling work  in YANG. Note everyone is up to date with what models are out there. It also helps motivate people to take YANG more seriously.
Actually a written list with the same information would be nearly as good.
regards Balazs


On 2014-11-05 17:13, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:

On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com><mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:



Hello,
A very short overview would be good. All drafts by workgroup in 15 minutes.
regards Balazs


And what do you hope to achieve with this? You'll hear 1 or 2 sentence per draft and probably will not get more info. It would be much more efficient to block some time at the end of the meeting on Friday and setup Q&A with authors. Then for people who have interest in a particular draft can get answers and if needed continue conversation after the meeting.

Dean



On 2014-11-05 00:20, Andy Bierman wrote:


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com><mailto:bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:


Mahesh,

Benoit,

I was going to give a quick update on the BFD YANG model, which is being
presented/discussed in its own WG.

I wonder which ideal outcome you want a presentation in the NETMOD WG?

Here's the list of drafts that have normative or unclassified references to
YANG:

draft-vanderstok-core-comi-05                     2014-10-27  Active
draft-shi-alto-yang-json-00                       2014-10-27  Active
draft-shi-alto-yang-model-00                      2014-10-27  Active
draft-netmod-clemm-datastore-push-00              2014-10-27  Active
draft-wildes-netmod-syslog-model-05               2014-10-27  Active
draft-zhang-nvo3-yang-active-active-cfg-00        2014-10-27  Active
draft-zaalouk-supa-configuration-model-01         2014-10-27  Active
draft-wang-lime-rpc-yang-oam-management-00        2014-10-27  Active
draft-vergara-flexigrid-yang-00                   2014-10-27  Active
draft-gandhi-mpls-te-yang-model-01                2014-10-27  Active
draft-txh-opsawg-lime-gap-analysis-01             2014-10-27  Active
draft-zheng-netmod-xmi-yang-translation-00        2014-10-27  Active
draft-chen-i2rs-mpls-ldp-info-model-00            2014-10-27  Active
draft-tripathy-cloud-sla-yang-model-00            2014-10-27  Active
draft-clemm-i2rs-yang-l3-topo-00                  2014-10-27  Active
draft-contreras-supa-yang-network-topo-01         2014-10-27  Active
draft-wang-yang-bfd-oam-00                        2014-10-27  Active
draft-ietf-netconf-server-model-04                2014-10-26  Active
draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg-01                  2014-10-26  Active
draft-shen-l2tpext-l2tpv3-yang-model-00           2014-10-26  Active
draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg-16                  2014-10-26  Active
draft-shaikh-idr-bgp-model-00                     2014-10-26  Active
draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-03                    2014-10-25  Active
draft-pkd-pce-pcep-yang-01                        2014-10-25  Active
draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi-01                    2014-10-24  Active
draft-voit-netmod-peer-mount-requirements-01      2014-10-24  Active
draft-shi-model-json-msg-yang-00                  2014-10-24  Active
draft-liu-pim-igmp-mld-yang-00                    2014-10-23  Active
draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-01                   2014-10-23  Active
draft-liu-pim-yang-00                             2014-10-23  Active
draft-asechoud-netmod-diffserv-model-00           2014-10-22  Active
draft-dong-i2rs-l2-network-topology-00            2014-10-21  Active
draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-02    2014-10-21  Active
draft-zhang-nvo3-yang-cfg-00                      2014-10-21  Active
draft-sun-softwire-yang-00                        2014-10-20  Active
draft-yeung-netmod-ospf-02                        2014-10-14  Active
draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-01                    2014-10-13  Active
draft-clemm-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01             2014-10-10  Active
draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-01                   2014-10-10  Active
draft-bogdanovic-netmod-acl-model-02              2014-10-08  Active
draft-clemm-netmod-mount-02                       2014-10-07  Active
draft-zhdankin-netmod-bgp-cfg-01                  2014-10-02  Active
draft-wang-i2rs-ospf-dm-00                        2014-09-26  Active
draft-bhuvan-bmwg-of-controller-benchmarking-01   2014-09-25  Active
draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam-00                   2014-09-25  Active
draft-bierman-netmod-yang-conformance-04          2014-09-24  Active
draft-ietf-netmod-snmp-cfg-08                     2014-09-18  In IESG
processing - ID Tracker state <RFC Ed Queue>
draft-frank-netconf-conformance-00                2014-09-16  Active
draft-haas-i2rs-netmod-netconf-requirements-00    2014-09-12  Active
draft-lhotka-netmod-yang-metadata-00              2014-09-11  Active
draft-schoenw-lmap-yang-01                        2014-09-02  Active
draft-zhuang-l2vpn-yang-cfg-00                    2014-08-24  Active
draft-zhuang-l2vpn-evpn-yang-cfg-00               2014-08-16  Active
draft-chen-mpls-ldp-yang-cfg-00                   2014-08-15  Active
draft-chen-mpls-te-yang-cfg-00                    2014-08-15  Active
draft-zhuang-l3vpn-yang-cfg-00                    2014-08-15  Active
draft-scharf-alto-yang-00                         2014-07-04  Active
draft-yang-netmod-location-00                     2014-07-04  Active
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05                    2014-07-04  Active
draft-mekking-dnsop-kasp-00                       2014-07-04  Active
draft-xjz-opsawg-nfvmodel-00                      2014-07-04  Active
draft-liu-netmod-yang-abstract-topo-00            2014-07-03  Active
draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-01                  2014-07-03  Active
draft-zheng-netmod-integrate-operations-00        2014-07-02  Active
draft-liu-netconf-multi-instances-00              2014-07-02  Active
draft-litkowski-isis-yang-isis-cfg-01             2014-06-27  Active
draft-litkowski-netmod-isis-cfg-00                2014-06-17  Active
draft-lonvick-private-tax-08                      2014-06-09  Active
draft-tp-i2rs-yang-00                             2014-05-08  Active

That could be a lot of updates...
I believe we should focus on the YANG models that don't have an existing WG.



I would prefer to spend all the meeting time
trying to discuss open issues in chartered items.  I don't see why
the NETMOD WG needs to spend time on status reports for
any unchartered work.

I don't agree that NETMOD WG should be the home of SYSLOG
or any other protocol specific data models. IMO all those type of drafts
should try to find a home in a protocol WG with the right experts.



Andy





Reminder: A good avenue for any YANG models is
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/tutorials/yang-session.html

Regards, Benoit




On Tue Nov 04 2014 at 8:40:55 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com><mailto:bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:


Mahesh,

Not sure what exactly you want to present but let me draw your attention
that the routing-related modules should be taken care of in their respective
WG. See
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-yang-coord/current/msg00094.html

Regards, Benoit

Tom,

I am giving an update on the BFD YANG model in the BFD WG. I can give a
quick update (~1-2min) in NETMOD if such an update is desired.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>

On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:43 PM, "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@lucidvision.com><mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com>
wrote:


   We have plenty of runway in the agenda right now so I will put it down
as two items. We reserved two slots because I feel its important to
encourage discussion during the face2face meetings so insofar as I can, I
want to give you enough runway to discuss this in detail.

   --Tom


On Oct 23, 2014:12:13 PM, at 12:13 PM, Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz><mailto:lhotka@nic.cz>
wrote:


Hi,


apart from the two WG items draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg-16 (to be
submitted) and draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-01, I’d like to discuss the draft
and draft-lhotka-netmod-yang-metadata-00. I think 5 minutes would be enough
for the latter, I could even do it together with yang-json.


Thanks, Lada


On 23 Oct 2014, at 18:02, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com><mailto:andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:




On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Thomas D. Nadeau
<tnadeau@lucidvision.com><mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:


   Not yet. Please propose topics.



I would like 15 min. to discuss YANG conformance issues, specified in this
draft:

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bierman-netmod-yang-conformance-04.txt


These issues may get resolved in the NETCONF YANG 1.1 virtual interim

meeting next week. If not, this topic should be discussed at the IETF
meeting.



   —Tom


Andy




On Oct 21, 2014:5:32 PM, at 5:32 PM, Sterne, Jason (Jason)
<jason.sterne@alcatel-lucent.com><mailto:jason.sterne@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:


Hi all,


Is there a preliminary agenda for the two NETMOD sessions at IETF91 ?


Some thought about topics being split between the 1st (longer) and 2nd
(shorter) sessions ?


Thanks,

Jason


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