Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions
Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Fri, 15 September 2017 15:02 UTC
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From: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions
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On 15/09/2017 15:52, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi, > > With respect to WG adoption, we will do whatever the WG decides for the > RFC 8022 model. We have a strong preference toward not carrying the > deprecated nodes forward and new module versions appears to be a good way > to achieve this. Can we not adopt regardless? We know that we are going to bis 8022, and having an adopted draft gives it a bit more legitimacy and helps other folks to migrate. Or perhaps we can start the call for adoption and continue to try and resolve this issue at the same time ;-). I think that it would be good to try and get the updated model drafts to WG LC by Singapore. I know that it hasn't been asked yet, but I support adoption of any 8022 bis draft that (i) provides the correct NDMA combined tree (ii) removes or deprecates the old state nodes :-) Sorry, if I'm being pushy :-) Rob > > I agree with Lada that deprecating all the schema nodes is unnecessary. > However, we’ll do what it takes to reach consensus and satisfy the most > pedantic among us. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 9/15/17, 6:38 AM, "netmod on behalf of Ladislav Lhotka" > <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > >> Kent Watsen píše v Čt 14. 09. 2017 v 14:52 +0000: >>> rfc8022bis-02 signals the intent to ditch the current/soon-to-be-legacy >>> module, but does it actually say it? (I can't find it) >> The modules contained therein have different names and namespaces, so >> there is >> no formal ancestry. I would prefer to keep the modules from RFC 8022 as >> they are >> - some weirdos may still want to use them. >> >>> The draft does say that it obsoletes 8022, but I'm unsure if that's >>> going to >>> have a meaningful impact in the wild. I think Juergen said they had >>> this >>> issue with MIB2 and only after a couple years of misuse did they >>> republish the >>> legacy MIBs with deprecated status. >>> >>> I'm okay with this change being made after adoption, so long as there's >>> general agreement to do it. Are the authors okay with it, or are there >>> any >>> better suggestions? >>> >>> PS: Sadly, the 'module' statement does not have 'status' as a >>> substatement [I >>> just added this omission to the yang-next tracker]. I think the only >>> way to >>> "deprecate a module" is to instead deprecate the all the >>> nodes/rpcs/notifications in the module. Kind of ugly, but it's for a >>> deprecated module, so who care, right? ;) >> I think it is unnecessary. If somebody needs adding such a module to the >> data >> model, he/she should probably have a reason to do so, such as data >> implemented >> on the server. >> >> Lada >> >>> Kent >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> On 9/14/2017 9:37 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: >>>> Hi Kent & Lou, >>>> >>>> When do you think that it will be possible to start the adoption >>> process >>>> on these drafts? >>>> >>>> I think that the first two at least would seem to be ready for >>>> adoption. For the 3rd draft, there still seems to be an open >>> question >>>> of what to do with the old state tree, but presumably that could be >>>> solved after the draft has been adopted? >>> I see an update for the third was published yesterday >>> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis-02) that >>> clarifies the intent is to replace the current modules, and presumably >>> obsolete 8022. And now that this intended direction is clear in the >>> draft we could poll it. >>> >>> I think this still doesn't address if we need to indicate that the >>> rfc8022 defined modules are deprecated by some other mechanisms than >>> just replacing the RFC, e.g., by updating the old modules with all nodes >>> marked as deprecated. I think you're right that this could be done post >>> adoption. Of course others are free to disagree. >>> >>> I check with Kent and see what he thinks. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Lou >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30/08/2017 00:46, Kent Watsen wrote: >>>>> Hey folks, >>>>> >>>>> As discussed at the last meeting, we are heading to revising >>> existing RFCs >>>>> to align them with NMDA. The first batch have been published as >>>>> individual drafts: >>>>> >>>>> 1. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7223bis-00 >>>>> 2. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bjorklund-netmod-rfc7277bis-00 >>>>> 3. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-acee-netmod-rfc8022bis-00 >>>>> >>>>> Please take a look (comments welcome!) and stay tuned for the >>> related >>>>> adoption calls. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Kent (and Lou) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netmod mailing list >>>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>>> . >>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> -- >> Ladislav Lhotka >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
- [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? module n… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Benoit Claise
- [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions - this appendix i… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Benoit Claise
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] ietf-routing or ietf-routing-2? modu… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] [Rtg-dt-yang-arch] ietf-routing or i… Lou Berger