Re: [netmod] for a future rfc6991bis

Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Tue, 30 October 2018 20:02 UTC

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> On Oct 30, 2018, at 03:14, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:05:17AM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> In addition, it might be good to introduce [inet?] types for RFC 5322 
>>>> (Internet Message Format) including perhaps:
>>>> 
>>>>  - email-address        (addr-spec, per Section 3.4.1)
>>>>  - named-email-address  (name-addr, per Section 3.4)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where are these used? Or have these already been used somewhere?
>> 
>> I'm unaware of these ever having been used before.  I am working on a private module for which I want to configure an email address.  After some searching, I concluded that no such types have been defined, and thus thought that they might be good candidates for addition.
>> 
> 
> It would be good to have strong use cases. I fear that defining this
> type won't be easy given that we also have internationalized email
> addresses (RFC 6530 provides an overview) and we might have to create
> a union of RFC 5322 addresses and "SMTPUTF8 (compliant) addresses”.

It would be slightly unfortunate I think if we were to define something that was obsolete at the time of definition. So yeah the union of all-ascii addresses and non-ascii addresses is in fact SMTPUTF8. To my mind that would be what you would specify, and that probably requires discussion.
> 
> /js
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