Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03 consensus call
Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> Tue, 13 November 2018 10:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03 consensus call
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Hi Joel, authors, I have to confess that I didn't have time to review this during the last call (but have reviewed/provided comments on previous versions). These comments may be too late, but I will provide them anyway, so make of them what you will :-) In summary, I like the idea of tags and I think that they are a good fit for classifying YANG models. In particular, I think that a flexible classification of YANG modules is better than a rigid structure that can never be changed. For me the one of the great utilities of module tags could be in applications like YANG catalog search (https://yangcatalog.org/yang-search/) Being able to search for modules by tag seems like it would be a particularly useful thing to be able to do. However, I do have some sympathy with Alex's comment, in that it is a bit unclear as to benefits of configuring the tag information on the devices. At the moment, the configuration doesn't have any material affect on the device, and the only thing that a client can do is read back the tag configuration. Is the intention that the protocols may be extended in future to allow filter queries to be based on module tags? So, I am supportive of Alex's comment that it would give the document more clarity if some of the specific use cases could be described. Some other random comments/nits: 1) 6087bis references can be updated to RFC 8407. Is a reference even allowed in the abstract? 2) Abstract: "writing a modules tags" => "writing a module's tags" or "writing module tags" 3) The module is YANG 1.1, so RFC 6020 reference can be changed to RFC 7950. 4) Section 3.4: Should there be a tag prefix for "experimental"? Or perhaps this would be "ietf:experimental:<tag-name>" anyway. 5) Section 5.1: It might be useful if the tags were also reported under YANG library, e.g. as an augmentation to rfc7895bis. E.g. this would report the same information as "modules-tags/module[name]/tag" leaf-list. 6) YANG module: Should you limit the maximum size of a tag? Perhaps to 255, or 1000 characters. 7) Line length for "The operational view of this list is constructed ..." looks like it may be too long. 8) Section 7, Guidelines to authors. I was wondering if this section should state that YANG modules SHOULD define standard tags that are associated with it. At the moment, it just states what can be done, without providing guidance of what should be done. 9) Section 9.2. A few more possible categories: discovery protocol, vpn, tunnel. I'm not sure that I particularly like "rfc8199-" as a module name, and possibly "classification-" would be better. Apologies for the tardy review comments, Rob On 12/11/2018 16:46, joel jaeggli wrote: > During the Thursday nov 8 session of netmod, we asked if there were any objections to the publication of the Draft-03 version of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags which addresses comments and concerns raised during the WGLC. In the meeting there were none. This commences a comment period to confirm that call. As this follows closely on the heels of the IETF 103 meeting we’ll let the call run through Monday the 26th of November. > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03.txt > > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
- [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags… joel jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Alex Campbell
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… joel jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… joel jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… joel jaeggli
- Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-… joel jaeggli