Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines
Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Fri, 17 November 2017 00:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines
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To circle back to this. My sense of this discussion (as contributor) is (a) the tree diagrams draft should be updated to point to a "guidelines" wiki page for "the most current guidelines" (b) the tree diagrams draft should be updated to include a full set of the current tree related guidelines (c) 6087bis should be updated to point to a "guidelines" wiki page for "the most current guidelines" (d) 6087bis should have it's tree guidelines point to the tree diagrams document -- in addition to pointing to the wiki Does this sound right? Lou (as tree co-author) On 11/16/2017 11:04 AM, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > The Wiki is useful as a starting point providing a collection of pointers to guideline RFCs and the bis-revisions in development. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh >> Jethanandani >> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:39 AM >> To: Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> >> Cc: netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines >> >> Other SDOs can and follow the work in IETF through the RFCs we publish. >> They do not follow wiki’s, unless the document itself says, “here are the >> guidelines, but if you are looking for the latest, go to this wiki”. I therefore >> would support the proposal outlined below. It gives the SDO a stable point of >> reference with a document, which gets updated occasionally, but also allows >> them to peak at what is coming down the pipeline. >> >> Thanks. >> >>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote: >>> >>> I liked the suggestion from Chris Hopps: >>> >>> I think that it was along the lines of ... >>> >>> The RFC contains a reference at the top that states that updates to the >> guidelines is available on a wiki at .... >>> >>> Every few years the guidelines on the wiki can be folded into a latest >> version of the guidelines draft. >>> >>> 6087bis looks to be 3.5 years old. Should folks, e.g. at BBF,, IEEE, or MEF be >> using the latest draft guidelines, or should then use the published RFC until >> 6087bis is actually republshed? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> On 15/11/2017 10:14, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> There was a proposal in the meeting today to have the guidelines for >>>> tree diagrams in a wiki, instead of having them in 6087bis or in the >>>> tree diagram document. >>>> >>>> Was the proposal really to have a wiki for just the tree guidelines, >>>> or was the proposal to withdraw 6087bis from the process and instead >>>> publish all guidelines as a wiki? >>>> >>>> If it is the former, is it really worth it? >>>> >>>> Advantages with a wiki: >>>> >>>> + It can be updated more easily >>>> >>>> Some drawbacks: >>>> >>>> - It can be updated more easily >>>> (meaning they are less stable) >>>> >>>> - Wikis tend to not be alive after some time, and are not that >>>> easy to find. Just try to find the various YANG-related wikis >>>> we've tried to maintain over the years. >>>> >>>> - Links in RFCs also have problems. Sites are re-orginized etc. >>>> As an example, the link to the security guidelines template in >>>> RFC 6087 doesn't work anymore. >>>> >>>> - People that are looking for a stable reference will have problems >>>> (I think Rob mentioned that IEEE still refer to RFC 6087 (which >>>> is understandable; that's the published version). >>>> >>>> - Who maintains the Wiki, and what are the rules for updating it? >>>> >>>> >>>> I suggest we have the tree-related guidelines (actually just a few >>>> sentences) in the tree draft, and since 6087bis already refers to >>>> this document it is not a big problem that guidelines are spread out >>>> over several documents that are difficult to find. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /martin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> netmod mailing list >>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >
- [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Susan Hares
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] tree diagram guidelines Andy Bierman