Re: [netmod] validating a YANG action

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Fri, 03 May 2019 05:57 UTC

Return-Path: <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD05312006D for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 May 2019 22:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8jS1FukSiFz for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 2 May 2019 22:57:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7AB1120059 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Thu, 2 May 2019 22:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC311DA9; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de
Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id CzjmgSwlY4Wr; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C808200E3; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de
Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id ZdAJq0IhQOrK; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (SXCHMB01.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2954D200E1; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:25 +0200
Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2FAAC3008BC30F; Fri, 3 May 2019 07:57:24 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 07:57:24 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
CC: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Message-ID: <20190503055724.723voy7swdito3bv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de>
Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
Mail-Followup-To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
References: <CABCOCHS-nwPfgF-NCNqp5tdS=G3Fz_9s7RkvGNvHbLVq=jYCsg@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <CABCOCHS-nwPfgF-NCNqp5tdS=G3Fz_9s7RkvGNvHbLVq=jYCsg@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716
X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB01.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.120) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/jRDTMeiqRl30iqWkahKNxhlMciU>
Subject: Re: [netmod] validating a YANG action
X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/>
List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 05:57:32 -0000

On Thu, May 02, 2019 at 04:15:28PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The text about invoking actions in RFC 7950, sec. 7.15 is not clear
> about whether the ancestor data nodes have to exist.
> 
> sec 7.15.2, para 2:
> 
>    The <action> element contains a hierarchy of nodes that identifies
> the node in the datastore.
> 
> 
> The RFC does not say anything about if the data node is required to
> exist or not.  There is no distinction between NP-container, P-container,
> or list which are ancestors of the action node. It does not specify
> which datastore, and that is not supplied in the <action> RPC.
> The text specifies what must be in the <rpc> request, not in any datastore
> or state data.
> 
> It seems like the intent is that no instance test is specified at all and
> the corresponding ancestor nodes to the action node do not have to
> exist for the action to be invoked. (The action may succeed or fail).
> The issue is whether there is an existence-test before invoking the action.

We discussed actions during the work on NMDA. RFC 8342 has this text
in section 6, in particular 6.1 says:

   Actions are always invoked in the context of the operational state
   datastore.  The node for which the action is invoked MUST exist in
   the operational state datastore.

/js
 
-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder           Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 3103         <https://www.jacobs-university.de/>