Re: [netmod] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-06

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Thu, 07 March 2019 19:34 UTC

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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-06
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On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 02:02:39PM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote:
> 
> We already have a reviewed and approved prefixes registry.
> 
> Given nothing is broken here, and the current solution has been reviewed for 2+ years, and with careful consideration approved by the working group, this does not seem like change that should be considered (or perhaps even suggested) at this very late point in the process.
>

It is relatively clear (to me at least) that followup work will be
needed if this gets deployed and used widely. Computer programs
consuming tags are less tolerant than humans consuming tags and the
idea that operators will fix things via configuration likely does not
scale. But perhaps this is not bad, if the issue comes back to us in
~3 years, we know at least that tags are a useful idea.

/js

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