Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> Wed, 06 September 2017 13:11 UTC

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From: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] upcoming adoptions
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>> I guess the NMDA transition plan to move the child nodes to a config=true
>> node
>> name /restconf that has only config=false nodes in it.  This seems quite
>> disruptive
>> and not a productive use of engineering resources, or support and customer
>> re-training.
>
> I agree with you.  We've said that it is ok to have pure config false
> trees, if it makes sense for what we're trying to model.
>
> The only "issue" with the tree above is that its top-level node's name
> contains the word "state".

/netconf-state and /restconf-state don't seem to follow the general 
pattern we're correcting with the various NMDA updates.  Particularly,
these -state trees are NOT for the purpose to providing the opstate
value for configured nodes.  These modules have the misfortune of
having "-state" in their name, but they're otherwise fine.

K.  // contributor