Re: [netmod] Important: Guidelines for YANG module authors

Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> Sat, 10 June 2017 06:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [netmod] Important: Guidelines for YANG module authors
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On 6/10/2017 5:42 AM, Kent Watsen wrote:
>
> Yes, let's rewrite 6.23 completely to state more helpfully what's in 
> the guidelines draft.
>
> I don't expect the guidelines doc is going to progress independently.
Agreed.

Regards, B.
>
> Kent. // shepherd
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com 
> <mailto:andy@yumaworks.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to complete rfc6087bis.
>> It has been held up waiting for this draft.
>> It is not clear to me how sec. 6.23 (Operational Data) needs to change.
>> Should the whole section be replaced by an informative reference to 
>> this new draft?
>>
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com 
>> <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     Now that the new NETMOD and NETCONF charters have been approved,
>>     it's time to think about the guidelines for YANG module authors.
>>
>>     The Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) addresses
>>     the so-called "OpState problem" that has been the subject of much
>>     discussion in the IETF. NMDA is still in development, and there
>>     will be a transition period before NMDA solutions are universally
>>     available.
>>
>>     The NETMOD Datastore Design Team and the Routing Yang
>>     Architecture Design Team have worked with Alia and Benoit to
>>     create initial guidelines for how the NMDA, as defined in
>>     draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores
>>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores/>,
>>     impacts Yang models. The draft-dsdt-nmda-guidelines
>>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dsdt-nmda-guidelines/>
>>     individual draft was foundational in helping creating those
>>     guidelines.
>>
>>     If you have questions or concerns on how these guidelines should
>>     apply to work of interest, please contact your WG Chairs or ADs.
>>
>>     It is our strong recommendation, as ADs with agreement from the
>>     NETMOD WG Chairs, that models SHOULD move as quickly as possible
>>     to the NMDA. The specific approach to be taken for models being
>>     developed now and during the NMDA transition period should be
>>     based on both the expected usage and the maturity of the data model.
>>
>>     1. New models and models that are not concerned with the
>>     operational state of configuration information SHOULD immediately
>>     be structured to be NMDA-compatible.
>>
>>     2. Models that require immediate support for "in use" and "system
>>     created" information SHOULD be structured for NMDA. Then derived
>>     versions of these models SHOULD be created, either by hand or
>>     with suitable tools, that follow the current modeling strategies.
>>     In some cases, the non-NMDA model may be an existing model and
>>     not derived from the NMDA model. In all cases, the NMDA and
>>     non-NMDA modules SHOULD be published in the same document, with
>>     NMDA modules in the document main body and the non-NMDA modules
>>     in an Appendix. The use of the non-NMDA model will allow
>>     temporary bridging of the time period until NMDA implementations
>>     are available. The non-NMDA module names should include ’-state’
>>     appended.
>>
>>     We would like to thank Kent Watsen, Lou Berger, Rob Wilton,
>>     Martin Bjorklund, Phil Shafer, Acee Lindem, Chris Hopps, Juergen
>>     Schoenwaelder, and all others who helped develop these guidelines.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Alia Atlas, Routing AD
>>     Deborah Brungard, Routing AD
>>     Alvaro Retana, Routing AD
>>     Warren Kumari, Operations & Management AD
>>     Benoit Claise, Operations & Management AD
>>
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