Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt

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Subject: Re: [netmod] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>;
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:25 PM

> Hi Benoit,
>
> On 12/27/17, 6:18 AM, "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" <bclaise@cisco.com>;
wrote:
>
> >Thanks Acee,
> >
> >Minor question for the working group and the
draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip
> >authors.
> >
> >The appendix is about adding a new control-plane protocol. It takes
as
> >an example RIP.
> >However, draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip is being finalized (on the IESG
> >telechat on Jan 11th).
> >Does it make sense to keep the RIP example? If so, is the example
> >consistent with draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip?
> >Or should we just point to draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip as the example?
>
> It is probably better just to reference the RIP module draft. Does
anyone
> disagree?

Disagree; strongly.

You are then holding up as an example to the rest of the world of how to
do it a YANG module produced by a WG over which we have no control and
little influence and who may produce a less than satisfactory module.

I have already commented that IMHO the rip module is not fit to advance
and even if the issues are addressed we have no certainty that the
module will be fit to hold up to the world as an examplar.

So no, referencing yang-rip is a bad idea.

Tom Petch

>
> Thanks,
> Acee
> >
> >Not strong views on my side.
> >
> >Regards, Benoit
> >> This version includes Martin’s YANG doctor comments and some
updates to
> >> the examples (e.g., YANG Library data) from Lada.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Acee
> >>
> >> On 12/22/17, 1:28 PM, "netmod on behalf of
internet-drafts@ietf.org";
> >> <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org>;
wrote:
> >>
> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >>> directories.
> >>> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.
> >>>
> >>>         Title           : A YANG Data Model for Routing Management
> >>>(NDMA
> >>> Version)
> >>>         Authors         : Ladislav Lhotka
> >>>                           Acee Lindem
> >>>                           Yingzhen Qu
> >>> Filename        : draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06.txt
> >>> Pages           : 77
> >>> Date            : 2017-12-22
> >>>
> >>> Abstract:
> >>>    This document contains a specification of three YANG modules
and one
> >>>    submodule.  Together they form the core routing data model that
> >>>    serves as a framework for configuring and managing a routing
> >>>    subsystem.  It is expected that these modules will be augmented
by
> >>>    additional YANG modules defining data models for control-plane
> >>>    protocols, route filters, and other functions.  The core
routing
> >>>data
> >>>    model provides common building blocks for such extensions --
routes,
> >>>    Routing Information Bases (RIBs), and control-plane protocols.
> >>>
> >>>    The YANG modules in this document conform to the Network
Management
> >>>    Datastore Architecture (NMDA).  This document obsoletes RFC
8022.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis/
> >>>
> >>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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> >>>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06
> >>>
> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis-06
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> >>>
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