Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs

Martin Björklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se> Tue, 10 March 2020 19:28 UTC

Return-Path: <mbj+ietf@4668.se>
X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DBD3A09B0; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.098
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_NAKED_TO_NUMERO=1.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=4668.se header.b=EjnCNqVz; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=DPoe/KmL
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u630WfrAV2fW; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from new1-smtp.messagingengine.com (new1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.221]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C0933A0993; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A888923F7; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:28:34 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=4668.se; h=date :message-id:to:cc:subject:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh= ZZyDCGR+V3cXi2+xmuW+wjPULIS0X9zRpVLY8fWraeg=; b=EjnCNqVzHup9wnsK vQ4+YhkpkDPP0t+w0AgbT6Nrzu8+ajinDw5OzGuox5yAMUD9tvoNQgqmisb1Oprv AdjMpfVJ8Cl/+zXMprSf7AjpOgHHakM393zQAVfnynCn6xcED14z0k49Tf25jlCu Q37CnHRqoYKRp8B+3HKjjrm1lKSe2RMg6nYfWUN62ONTawgZrgBTf8sWmDLegUbv uGPP372qD6zHpfSeTipp9l7Mx0Pw+Li2vwWeNUwKQqRpB0Ed41dgRajsYSA4qsKo BU+5o/YZ+DcytisfTrBhgeUNxCESbPGiJMt3FVDmJFWFlW13aVMwN6hgt/K5KMaY z1vzRg==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=ZZyDCGR+V3cXi2+xmuW+wjPULIS0X9zRpVLY8fWra eg=; b=DPoe/KmL9rRWnsyej1W38i6f7zwPHycrR5EMCWj61Ltz2jzcYhPwfLdhQ +DsD2skhZm1GOCW9VoF/EkAHjVfniZQewYsi8X9uyMaMmcuW/TqLITcxc1TcRWwG UFNheTKB25Bnt5zqa0mXYZAFVYEZCVACQx+tlIiJS4WjH1j8fcV2C/30h8Yt6jRo z65GW2y9FGLMujiy0QVUy+Ggbha+Y1PuSGf+kOlBahZAhiAw6kDxd5aacyaozNwd 6sjYMvOJdYbSBn7Ry4WL2O801cl1HQMPDeFqv+TYTAUiDIpVQhheQ+Jmq66/1sPP Wbm+QXiEtpoEDuXiMtFMSO6pRaH3Q==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:YupnXpmMsgKNvph57reoTGct5-GFGP6KfuczxnwS9_siQxt_C2jOFA>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddvtddguddukecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffkvffuhfgjfhfogggtgfesth ejredtredtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhtihhnuceujhpnrhhklhhunhguuceomhgsjhdo ihgvthhfseegieeikedrshgvqeenucfkphepudehkedrudejgedrgedrgeegnecuvehluh hsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhgsjhdoihgvthhf seegieeikedrshgv
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:YupnXhef_xeGfCiWlrNDPIqz6aXlXHOSUKY-umssRtn3IgePOyXyUQ> <xmx:YupnXmDMGSCrIIM8pLaGMZ2JrIh1mnG3yOs1nTA6qJGderY_Ca39rA> <xmx:YupnXjfbp146JF83ZGNtz_J0wIMVuFQw3jtNtml73uFVkSYtYGtm0Q> <xmx:YupnXmMM6F1ZLx2K-CuCk11QuMsvoCJryLD0bOdRSz2PmSzp3mjJYg>
Received: from localhost (unknown [158.174.4.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 41FA5328005E; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:28:33 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:28:29 +0100
Message-Id: <20200310.202829.875177434643366833.id@4668.se>
To: lberger@labn.net
Cc: netmod@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org
From: Martin Björklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se>
In-Reply-To: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net>
References: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net>
X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/r5TD0NDNgUbtX9EHZfB5hJJctN8>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs
X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/>
List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:28:43 -0000

[second attempt, sorry for duplicates]

Hi,

By document:

draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01

  This is a great contribution to the YANG ecosystem.  It is very well
  written, and I would like to see this document proceed quickly.  The
  solutions it proposed are really needed.  I have one objection
  though; in 7.1 the text says:

    All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for all
    newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of
    existing YANG modules.  The revision-label MUST take the form of a
    YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver].

  I strongly disagree with this new rule.  IETF modules use a linear
  history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver".

  I support the adoption of this document.

  (I will send a review of this document in a separate mail)


draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01

  This draft proposes a way to express how a given revision is
  backwards compatible in a very short format.  With the new extension
  statements in draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, this
  information is already present in the revision history of a module.
  (One possible exception is editorial changes, but that can easily be
  fixed by adding an "editorial" extension to "ietf-yang-revisions").

  I don't think this document should be adopted.


draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03

  I support the adoption of this document.


draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02

  I think the solutions proposed in this draft are overly complex and
  some of them are probably impossible to implement correctly in real
  world use cases.

  I don't think this document should be adopted.


draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00

  I support the adoption of this document.



/martin


Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents
> described below by Rob.  To be specific, this includes
> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
> 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
> 
> The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.
> 
> Please voice your support or objections on list.  While we prefer to
> adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable.
> 
> Netmod Chairs
> 
> On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
> 
> > Netmod chairs,
> >
> > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
> > is now posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like
> > to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents.
> >
> > The updated full list is:
> >
> > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
> >    - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version
> >    - selection and schema comparison drafts.
> >
> > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
> >    - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented
> >    - at 106.
> >
> > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
> >    - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at
> >    - 106.
> >
> > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
> >    - YANG packages draft, updated since 106
> >    5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
> >    - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below
> >
> > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
> >    - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at
> >    - 106.
> >
> > The main changes to the version selection draft are:
> >    - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers
> >    - more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what
> >    - it can be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to
> >    - choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients
> >    - use the same schema version, that is now possible
> >    - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session
> >    - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure
> >    - schema-sets before they are used
> >    - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are
> >    - compatible with each other
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> >
> >