Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library structure for 7895bis
Vladimir Vassilev <vladimir@transpacket.com> Wed, 13 December 2017 07:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library structure for 7895bis
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On 12/12/2017 08:20 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > Vladimir Vassilev <vladimir@transpacket.com> wrote: >> >> On 12/08/2017 04:06 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 04:03:06PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >>>> Vladimir Vassilev <vladimir@transpacket.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/15/2017 06:29 PM, Robert Wilton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that this is really a good idea. You would end up >>>>>> returning server metadata in addition to the configuration. >>>>> Obviously RFC 7895 defines only config false; data and I was not >>>>> proposing a change to that. But I agree something has to be added to >>>>> complete the solution. Special purpose datastore identities can be >>>>> defined that return instance of yang-library data when read with >>>>> <get-data>. (Datastores with yang-library config false; only data not >>>>> represented in 'operational') >>>>> >>>>> Adding this special yang-library-datastore to the proposed >>>>> ietf-datastores container e.g. >>>>> >>>>> module: ietf-datastores >>>>> +--ro datastores >>>>> | +--ro datastore* [name] >>>>> | +--ro name identityref >>>>> | +--ro yang-library-datastore identityref >>>>> >>>> I don't understand this proposal. How would a client learn the >>>> library for <running>? For <operational>? >>> My interpretation is that the client reads the datastores list from >>> <operational> and the list entries give you the identity of a separate >>> datastore that gives you the content of the yang library for that >>> datastore. (For each datastore, you have a separate datastore to >>> report its yang library.) >> Yes. The default value for yang-library-datastore leaf is >> ds:operational (the only possible one for the ds:operational >> datastore). This is backward compatible. If one needs different model >> for 'running', etc. then a new datastore identity has to be defined >> and set in place of the default value. Then this identity can be used >> to read the yang-library data with <get-data>. > Ah, ok. This is a clever solution, but quite complicated. It > requires several round trips for a client to learn all library > instances. Also, w/o any changes, it is not clear which module-set-id > is sent in the capability, and a client must query all module-set-ids > in all (meta)datastores in order to just check if it has the latest > version or not. It is also not clear how the existing notification > "yang-library-change" would work when there are multiple instances > involved. How about this? module: ietf-datastores ... augment /yanglib:yang-library-change: +---- datastore? identityref Vladimir > So I don't think that this solution will actually work w/o > an update to 7895 - but not updating 7895 was the whole reason for > doing this. > > > /martin >
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Vladimir Vassilev
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] [Netconf] Alternative YANG library s… Andy Bierman