[netmod] draft minutes culled from etherpad

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These are the draft minutes from todays session. 

they are still editable on

Etherpad:    https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod

> Available Post Session:
>    Recording:     WebEx recording be made available after the meeting.
>    Jabber Logs:   https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netmod
>    Etherpad:      https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod
>    Slides:       
> Introduction
>   TITLE: Session Intro & WG Status
>   PRESENTER: Chairs

Design team acknowledgements
document status. since last meeting

> Adopted items:
>    TITLE: Recently Adopted YANG Module Versioning Drafts
>    PRESENTER: Authors
>    DRAFT(s)
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-ver-selection-00
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02


Robert Wilton presenting the yang version history overview

Kent -  we likely  need to get the sense of the room to take to the list
Robert - requirements doucment can be held until we are ready to
progress the solution since the other documents will reference it normally
Joe clarke - requirements document is stable, wglc it now and wait on
the solution overview
Itallo busi - is the solution already supported by YANG tools? Can other
WG use this solution in the YANG modules they develop?
Robert - the schema solution may be already supported by pyang while
packages and versioning is not yet supported
Robert - design team is officially complete
authors will continue to meet regularly  to work on these documents,
those meetings will be open to all
prioritize the delivery of versioning semver packages
Lou - so long as the base set of drafts doesn't change the other two
drafts completely but staging them


Reshad presenting yang module versioning

Kent - currently this is aimed at proposed standard it could be
experiemental we will need to come to consesnsus on this
Joe clarke - I think you're concerned about semver not module versioning.
main issues from the adoption call
Robert - one option is allow  multiple versioning schemes, one problem
with a single YANG statement is how to define the separate version
schemes.  Perhaps each version scheme defines its own extension label.
Lou - reminder that we asked the question when the documents were
split,that at some point we have to decide if need to allow for more
than one [versioning format]
Jason Stern - it is useful to have a prefered scheme you don't want to
have to gues that the 1.2.3 pattern means something specific
Reshad - further dicussion needed
Martin - Discussion on whether revision 1.2.3 is somewhat dependent on
whether YANG semver ends up being experimental rather than proposed
Lou - The decision as to whether a doc should be experimental or
standards track can often be revisited at WG LC time.
Tim Carey - It is much easier for tooling if they can easily understand
what scheme is being used.
Balazs - We should explicitly state the used schema for revision label.
Reshad - presenting again slide 6/7 issues
Balazs: status-description is good for the same reason a seperate
reference, contact, organization statement is used. We could put all
that into description too, but it would make it messier.


Joe Clarke presenting yang semver

Carsten Bormann - maybe not a good Idea to use lower and upper case m
and use a different latter to differentiate
Joe - worth dicussing on list to get a record given I don't think it has
been dicussed before
Sue Hares - I'm not sure we're going to get modules for some bgp
features that won't have non-backward compatible features.
Joe - if you need to a do a bgp2.0 semver would do that
Lou - introduicing this may make non-backwards-changes more likely, and
we already have examples of non-backwards-compatible changes in IETF
Balazas - some other orgzations don't take backwards compatibility so
Italo - even if all the updates are linear and BC, there is still the
possibility to have a 1.0.0 version in IESG process and a 1.1.0 version
in WG process
Joe - use use the lineage of the module and bc nbc tags,
Charles Eckel - would make an nbc change but then bump the major version
Jason Sterne - strong attempt to not use the m in ietf modules. at least
this modified semver gives us a machanism to show that  happen.
Robert - semver allows the addition of descriptions after major
revisions, this could be used for bis documents that haven't been
republished as new RFCs
Martin Mjorklund - module versioning draft makes this possible
Joe - moving on to github issues #48


Bo wu  -  presenting versioned yang schema

Jason Sterne design team has already taken an hour we should abreviate
or push to the end the remaining two dt docs
Lou - wouldlike feedback from the working group comments to the list.

Jason - yang schema selection

Kent - a similar dicussion will take place in the netconf meeting on monday

Lou - chairs will talk on how best to coordinate between groups.


Reshad - presenting yang schema comparison

> Not-Yet-Adopted items:
>    TITLE: A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management
>    PRESENTER:  Authors
>    DRAFT(s)
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-06


Qin Wu presenting a yang policy model for eca policy management.

Joel - 06 working group adaption revealed some issues that we should
address before considering adoption again igor / andy issues.

>    TITLE: YANG Data Node Self Explanation Tags
>    PRESENTER: Tao,Ran
>    DRAFT(s)
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01


Qin Wu presenting

Lou -  this is the normal point where we would ask for a hum will do it
on the list

>    TITLE: 3GPP's UML to YANG Object Module Mapping
>    PRESENTER: Balazs Lengyel
>    DRAFT(s)
>      <none>


Balazas presenting

>    PRESENTER: Carsten Bormann
>    DRAFT(s)
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-sid-11
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-09
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01


Carsten Bormann presenting

Virtual Bluesheet -- please add your name and affiliation

     NAME                            AFFILIATION
Warren Kumari Google
Kent Watsen                             Watsen Networks
Lou Berger                                LabN Consulting, LLC
Rob Wilton                                Cisco
Jason Sterne                             Nokia
Carsten Bormann, TZI
Guangying zheng                    Huawei
Martin Björklund
Bo Wu                                   Huawei
Dhruv Dhody                             Huawei-India
Ivaylo Petrov                             Acklio
Jan Lindblad                          Cisco
Arunprabhu Kandasamy                 Acklio
Sergio Belotti                          NOKIA
Balazs Lengyel      Ericsson
Yoshifumi Atarashi      Alaxala
Tim Carey, Nokia
Joe Clarke                               Cisco
Charles Eckel,      Cisco
Ray Atarashi          IIJ-II
William Lupton          Broadband Forum
Joel Jaeggli Fastly
Yuji Tochio                       Fujitsu
Susan Hares    Huawei
Reshad Rahman             Cisco
Italo Busi                        Huawei
Xufeng Liu            Volta Networks
David Sinicrope Ericsson
Qin Wu    Huawei
Gabriele Galimberti Cisco
Peng Liu   China Mobile