Re: [Netrqmts] [Inform] Meeting Network Costs

Portia Wenze-Danley <> Thu, 20 June 2019 21:17 UTC

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Hi Bob,

Comments below.
Portia Wenze-Danley
IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
(Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD)	
Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Bob Hinden <> wrote:
> Jason,
> Looking at this, I have a few questions for you and Portia.
> If I understand it correctly, “in kind” means services donated to the IETF.   Is that correct?  If so, it’s not an actual cost.  

	[pwd] We track “in kind” costs on our budget because although we did not come out of pocket for the expense, we are aware of the costs if a cash outlay is needed.  
> Remote Participation Services are not a direct NOC expense.   It is to provide service to remote IETF participants.  Why is it included here?

	[pwd] The benefit of Remote Participation Services extends beyond that to remote participants.  Meetecho is an integral part of the NOC as they also record all of the working groups, plenary and related official IETF sessions.  There is a lot that goes into remote participation support including managing the remote queue to raise hands and inject video and audio into the room.  They also monitor the integrated Jabber room.  They work with the NOC as a team.
> Thanks,
> Bob
>> On Jun 20, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Livingood, Jason <> wrote:
>> Hi – In preparation for the BoF at IETF-105, I wanted to share what the LLC’s costs look like (from Portia). This isn’t necessarily to suggest a need to make cuts – so please do **NOT** interpret it in that way! Rather, it is to give a sense of what the costs really are for accommodating our requirements; our direct costs. The indirect costs may be thought of as venues that cannot accommodate our requirements (so Alexa may have some sense of that in advance of the BoF).
>> Portia is the expert on these costs, and so if you have any questions then she’s the right person to respond.
>> Thanks!
>> Jason
>> <NOC_Expenses_102-104.pdf>-- 
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