Re: [Netrqmts] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02.txt

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
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Looks good!

Some minor nits & feedback:
Section 2:
- s/ IPv6 MUST be provided/ Native IPv6 MUST be provided
- What are "default free zones"? Not defined.
- s/DPI based/DPI-based
- Spell out acronyms on 1st use: BGP, IRR, RTBH (same for other sections later on)

Section 3:
- s/ SHOULD have physical characteristics/ SHOULD have characteristics [JL: they may be able to limit radio power and so on via software-based radio resource mgmt. tools rather than physical things]
- re " The meeting facility SHOULD have installed network cabling that can be used to deploy the network infrastructure." Perhaps you can be more specific? I think you are asking for at least one GigE drop in each meeting room in order to provide backhaul for WiFi APs, with ballrooms and larger meeting spaces to be able to accommodate additional GigE drops. But that sort of seems covered in Section 4?

Section 4:
- Confirm with AMS but I suspect this can be deleted due to WiFi use: "Wired network drops MUST be provided to the registration desk."
- Terminal room access "during normal IETF meeting times". That leaves it open for flexibility as the general IETF schedule changes slightly w/o having to revise this document.
- s/ network connected/ network-connected
- Is an enterprise class printer required? -->Maybe just spec a laser printer and be done with it. I suspect print volumes are rather low. If there was a slow inkjet that may cause problems. ;-)
- Re There SHOULD be a manned help desk --> Why? Is this often used? Could it be a sign that directs someone to the NOC room for help? Or explains how to ticket an issue?
- 4.2 - 1st bullet has an incomplete couple of sentences. Maybe the period was meant to be a comma?

Section 5:
- A document must be provided? As in a physical piece of paper? Or can this info be on the meeting website or on a sign someplace? Maybe change document to instructions?

Thanks!
Jason

From: Netrqmts <netrqmts-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, November 4, 2019 at 6:13 PM
To: "netrqmts@ietf.org" <netrqmts@ietf.org>
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
Subject: [Netrqmts] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02.txt

Hi,

I volunteered to be the document editor for this draft.    With Karen’s help, I just submitted a new version.  The changes include:

   o  First update since BOF at IETF 105
   o  In each section reordered requirments in MUST to SHOULD order.
   o  Restructured sections to be part of Internal Network Requirements.
   o  Changes based on feedback on mailing list.
   o  Added Robert Hinden as editor.
   o  Editorial changes.

Please take a look, links are below.

Thanks,
Bob




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From: mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02.txt
Date: November 4, 2019 at 2:48:49 PM PST
To: "Karen O'Donoghue" <mailto:kodonog@pobox.com>, "Robert M. Hinden" <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>, "Robert Hinden" <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>


A new version of I-D, draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert M. Hinden and posted to the
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Name: draft-odonoghue-netrqmts
Revision: 02
Title: IETF Meeting Network Requirements
Document date: 2019-11-04
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 9
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-odonoghue-netrqmts/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-odonoghue-netrqmts
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-odonoghue-netrqmts-02

Abstract:
  The IETF Meeting Network has become integral to the success of any
  physical IETF meeting.  Building such a network, which provides
  service to thousands of heavy users and their multitude of devices,
  spread throughout the event venue, with very little time for setup
  and testing is a challenge.  This document provides a set of
  requirements, derived from hard won experience, as an aid to anyone
  involved in designing and deploying such future networks.




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