Re: [Netrqmts] IETF 105 Minutes
Alessandro Amirante <alex@meetecho.com> Wed, 31 July 2019 13:22 UTC
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Il 31/07/19 00:58, Toerless Eckert ha scritto: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 06:42:24PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote: >> >> A $22 home router fixes that problem. >> >> > Sure, but why would i have to bring my own WiFi<->WiFi home router to >> > the IETF to give me that function for the company notebook. >> >> Laptops are regularly attacked at the Coffee Shop from BEHIND the NAT44 >> "firewall". No firewall the IETF provides will solve that. > > That IMHO today an untypical and recgonizeable bad hotspot setup. > >> As your company IT guy why they gave you an insecure laptop for travel. >> So seriously, go ask them. NOT AN IETF PROBLEM. > > Providing access that is less secured than what users can normally > expect at work/hotspots/home is an explicit IETF choice, and i am > questioning why people would think its a good idea to only provide that > choice. > >> Better yet, bring your company IT guy to IETF, so that they learn what's it >> like to be connected to the actual Internet. As you say, most have never been online. > > Nobody connects endpoint to the actual Internet without firewalls in between. This can be true for IPv4. It isn't for IPv6. I've had a NAT-ted v4 address and a public v6 address for quite some time, both at home and at the office. A. > Yes, a good travel notebook should have that firewall built-in. Many may > be good. Windows probably a lot better than Linux. But its a kind of > strange policy to provide such an uncommon type of access without > communicating it clearly to the whole community and understanding their > preferences. > >> > I guess the best thing i could think of would be to have a BCP RFC for >> > how hotels should build out their network infrastructure to be best >> > prepared for conferences/workshops etc. This could easily proliferate >> >> It's a great idea, and I sure wish it would occur. >> >> To be effective, they hotel chains would need to solicit this document, and >> pay a significant figure for the consulting. Otherwise, they will ignore it. > > If a lot of conferences would refer to it, the hotels would not ignore > it. Otherwise we might worst case support the business model of useless > consultants reading our doc, and recommending its points for a lot of > money to hotels. > > But yes, its work, so the question is whether there is enough critical > mass to write it. > >> capport WG has been struggling for attention of the same types. > > I think thats a fundamentally different problem space. > > To automate the captive portal problem, you need to be able to tie every > IoT devices authenticatication to some poor human, who forcefully has to absorb the > advertisement of the portal and bear legal responsiblity requested by > the portal. So pretty much you need a mobile phone app and cloud broker > where iot device manufacturer can hire middle school kids that will then > continuously watch advertisement clips from those portal operators and > whose parents will pay the bail when the kid has to go to jail for > something the IoT device did do wrong. > > Or else the business model of the captive portal has to change. > > Cheers > toerless >> >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ >> > > > >> -- >> Netrqmts mailing list >> Netrqmts@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netrqmts > > -- Ing. Alessandro Amirante, Ph.D. Meetecho S.r.l. www.meetecho.com Via Riviera di Chiaia 124 80122 Napoli, Italy Mobile: +39 329 6178743 E-mail: alex@meetecho.com
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