Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Tue, 10 May 2005 19:07 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
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Subject: Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal
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On Tue, 10 May 2005, Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>> "Pekka" == Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> writes: > Pekka> to produce such documents. So the question is, doesn't the > Pekka> IESG see the need for roadmaps (or similar documents) as > Pekka> the WGs aren't chartered to produce them ? > > I certainly don't think the IESG has time to write these documents > ourselves. I think that the reason that these aren't typically > chartered is lack of available effort. > > If you can find people with the time to work on some particular > technology roadmap, by all means propose a BOF or charter modification > to existing working group. > > Whether such documents are ISDs or RFCs is mostly orthogonal to how > much effort is required. If we have people to do the work it can > happen. Otherwise it will not. My point is: if the IESG thought roadmap documents were important, such docs would be much more commonplace in the WG charters. It's of course possible to work on this by collecting sufficient number of like-minded individuals, but I doubt such an attempt would be all that successful. The IESG needs to see this as a very important thing, otherwise it won't really happen. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings . newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html
- [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Bruce Lilly
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Sam Hartman
- RE: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Douglas Otis
- RE: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Bruce Lilly
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Sam Hartman
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Spencer Dawkins
- RE: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Scott Bradner
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Sam Hartman
- Re: [newtrk] IESG comments on ISD proposal Spencer Dawkins