Re: [nfsv4] nfsv4.x
<david.noveck@emc.com> Fri, 10 September 2010 18:55 UTC
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From: david.noveck@emc.com
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I believe that going ahead with this has rough working group consensus, although the matter has not been formally put to the group in just that form (probably because it seemed as if there was no v4.2). I think it should be put to the group and those objecting should have an opportunity to raise their objects. There have been a number of messages in which v4.x requirements were specified in terms of rough WG consensus plus some set of other things. This raises confusion as the sets mentioned are not always the same and it isn't clear who would doing the judging as to whether those were met. I think it would make things a lot simpler if we said the requirement was rough WG consensus, period. Statements that sufficient interest and activity are important, or working code is important could then be understood as not in addition to WG consensus but simply part of the discussion explaining what considerations were most important to the specific individuals raising these as important issues for everybody to consider. -----Original Message----- From: nfsv4-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nfsv4-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dean Hildebrand Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:24 PM To: nfsv4@ietf.org; Spencer Shepler Subject: Re: [nfsv4] nfsv4.x On 9/9/2010 12:23 PM, Spencer Shepler wrote: > I would like to clarify potential NFSv4.2 (or more appropriately NFSv4.x) efforts. > If there is interest, energy and rough WG consensus, new work can be > undertaken; rough consensus and running code is the rule. Having said that, > we do have responsibilities to curate past efforts (e.g. rfc35030bis). > > As Dave Noveck has suggested in the past, the size of the protocol and > its resultant documents likely require varying methods of capturing > new protocol features. Smaller, targeted, reviewable protocol updates > are my personal preference. > > Spencer We are still very committed to our sparse file support draft (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-hildebrand-nfsv4-read-sparse-00.txt) and strongly believe it should be included in NFSv4.2. My impression from the 3 IETF meetings we presented it at is that there is strong support. Also, it fits both desires/requirements perfectly, 1. virtualization improvement, 2. small, targeted, and reviewable. Dean > _______________________________________________ > nfsv4 mailing list > nfsv4@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4 _______________________________________________ nfsv4 mailing list nfsv4@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
- [nfsv4] nfsv4.x Spencer Shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] nfsv4.x Dean Hildebrand
- Re: [nfsv4] nfsv4.x david.noveck