Re: [nfsv4] Potential charter update - removal of "use of NVMe in accessing a pNFS SCSI Layout" work item

Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> Mon, 20 May 2019 17:36 UTC

Return-Path: <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
X-Original-To: nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17D51201D4 for <nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.31
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=oracle.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wPcK_dYAO-5q for <nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com (aserp2130.oracle.com [141.146.126.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D5A11201CB for <nfsv4@ietf.org>; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x4KHIjiw070444; Mon, 20 May 2019 17:36:44 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=content-type : mime-version : subject : from : in-reply-to : date : cc : content-transfer-encoding : message-id : references : to; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=80hAjQHXIWsDvRrNwYIdmXX2UYqll6OPRnPUPe/fnx4=; b=ySLatqlTHz327jFwcVD4svGSXT72IVHUrJQR+08VEe50hg4hPGRSSsjKHKinn/huptJZ UsKHcOGr4HW92Q2ssXFQ5hHP5TwmjKluURlrqMfCU5+h8AyfWjzWsqo5u8Ot4tCSVNe+ ilvz4hucsDI5WcCUWPhV/U6P6eokvDaKDQEhU6+Z4O8Y8hl3QQj3MNBcRudyGzIXCyLu JFwdXz0QVuiMKxqRcr9PItainTXlM9fmzOLhCoTchavIZndDcm1+klkROpAEVtpPtxwN jnkXVDAvYAkYQ6ZdDLvEzYoHYhzxl8bURNrvOW5zzTou8iOQvqlmHRKHhJJg0YAVkGwO vA==
Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2sj7jdgq8r-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 May 2019 17:36:43 +0000
Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x4KHXk3Y084349; Mon, 20 May 2019 17:34:43 GMT
Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2sks1hysx1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 May 2019 17:34:43 +0000
Received: from abhmp0022.oracle.com (abhmp0022.oracle.com [141.146.116.28]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x4KHYgSG000386; Mon, 20 May 2019 17:34:42 GMT
Received: from anon-dhcp-171.1015granger.net (/68.61.232.219) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 20 May 2019 17:34:42 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\))
From: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAFt6Ba=aPN+Y2mUdn7PQyZvCiHXXDRDviOgV8wiXJQw+Pi1GVA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:34:41 -0400
Cc: NFSv4 <nfsv4@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <E9742EF2-5755-4485-8F33-068DF992DAC4@oracle.com>
References: <CAFt6Ba=t6dPX2kky-1h+dFo7zr75AqpsDF0ypoMzunKM8RMkQA@mail.gmail.com> <0604B063-3A9B-4B6E-BAF2-53568D4C5CC1@oracle.com> <CAFt6BakJOOOCjxFH9NMdhWqQWSiV7FayLcp8JMOOB97_=JkF_A@mail.gmail.com> <64D9C067-BFF8-4896-AF39-46416BB523F0@oracle.com> <37FC4CCF-97DC-4DFF-8497-D3597D88CF91@redhat.com> <05F68A95-DC80-4202-83B6-50AB6BE143F4@oracle.com> <CAFt6Ba=aPN+Y2mUdn7PQyZvCiHXXDRDviOgV8wiXJQw+Pi1GVA@mail.gmail.com>
To: spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9262 signatures=668687
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1905200110
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9262 signatures=668687
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1905200110
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfsv4/ANQIvHFq_OwuLNOk3_mEJe2zhbw>
Subject: Re: [nfsv4] Potential charter update - removal of "use of NVMe in accessing a pNFS SCSI Layout" work item
X-BeenThere: nfsv4@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: NFSv4 Working Group <nfsv4.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/nfsv4>, <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/nfsv4/>
List-Post: <mailto:nfsv4@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4>, <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:36:48 -0000


> On May 20, 2019, at 12:37 PM, spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Since it has been 18 months the expiration, etc., I just want to be realistic about keeping it as a WG milestone.
> 
> The work can certainly continue and we can readapt the milestones - just doing some housecleaning.

Perfectly reasonable. You just happened to start with a complicated one!


> Spencer
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:03 AM Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > On May 20, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Benjamin Coddington <bcodding@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On 20 May 2019, at 11:54, Chuck Lever wrote:
> > 
> >>> On May 20, 2019, at 11:46 AM, spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I would prefer that we discuss and close on as many of the outstanding
> >>> discussions via the alias - prior to the face to face meeting.
> >> 
> >> My understanding is that the author intends to revive the document when he
> >> has the resources to complete it. There has been no movement here recently
> >> and the author has allowed the document to expire.
> >> 
> >> However we have discussed the topic at every IETF meeting for the past few
> >> years because there is still plenty of interest in seeing it completed. We
> >> agreed to leave the item on the charter as a placeholder.
> >> 
> >> Perhaps it is a topic that is not appropriate as a milestone. Somehow we
> >> should document the WG's continued interest in this area. Any suggestions?
> > 
> > I'm interested in picking up work on NVMe access for pNFS SCSI Layouts.
> > 
> > What would be the practical result of removing this work item from the
> > milestone list?
> 
> For a prototype implementation, probably nothing. You can still communicate
> any interesting findings to the document author or the Working Group.
> 
> 
> --
> Chuck Lever
> 
> 
> 

--
Chuck Lever