[nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis-06
David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> Sat, 25 February 2017 12:57 UTC
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Subject: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis-06
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*General Comments* *Overall Evaluation* This document is in pretty good shape. Unless other people find additional issues, I expect that -07 will be ready for WGLC. *Comments by Section* *Abstract* In the second sentence, suggest deleting "Version One" at the end. As written, this suggests that ULBs are not or might not be required for future transport versions. *1. Introduction* The current first paragraph is misplaced. I think it derives from rfc5667 where this was essentially the only function of ULBs and there were no explicit ULB requirements. I suggest replacing this paragraph by the following two paragraphs but putting this material after the end of the current material in this section: The RPC-over-RDMA Version One transport may employ direct data placement to convey data payloads associated with RPC transactions. To enable successful interoperation, RPC client and server implementations must agree as to which XDR data items in what particular RPC procedures are eligible for direct data placement (DDP). Specifying those data items is a major component of a protocol's Upper Layer Binding. In addition, Upper Layer Bindings are required to include additional information to assure that adequate resources are allocated to receive RPC replies, and for a number of other reasons. Suggest replacing the first paragraph (currently the second) by the following to make sure all ULBs in this document are mentioned: This document contains material required of Upper Layer Bindings, as specified in [I-D.ietf-nfsv4-rfc5666bis], for the NFS protocol versions listed below. In addition, bindings are provided, when necessary, for auxiliary protocols used together with NFS versions 2 and 3. *2. Reply Size Estimation* The first paragraph as written is clumsy. Suggest rewriting it as follows: When using an RPC-over-RDMA Version One transport, a requester, during the construction of each RPC Call message, is responsible for allocating appropriate resources for receiving the corresponding Reply message. There are a number of problems with the second paragraph; - Other than because of an astonishingly poor implementation, I don't see how you can have "An overrun of these resources" resulting in "corruption of the Reply message". - The second sentence as written, implies that these horrible consequences (corruption or disconnection) are the reason for reply size estimation. In fact, the reason you need a big enough buffer for the reply is that if you didn't you couldn't get the generated reply back and that is sufficient reason to require reply size estimation. Suggest rewriting the second paragraph as follows: When insufficient resources are available, it may be impossible to provide the reply corresponding to the call. Therefore. reliable reply size estimation is necessary to ensure successful interoperation. This is of particular concern, for example, when deciding whether to allocate a reply Chunk and when deciding on the proper size for a Reply chunk. Suggest adding a new bullet, as follows, following the current second: The client specifies a reply size limit for the particular reply or operation, as it does by setting the count field of READDIR request. *2.1. Short Reply Chunk Retry* A problem with this section as written is that this problem can arise even if no reply chunk has been allocated. For example if the estimate is 900 bytes, the inline threshold is 1K, and the reply is 1028 bytes. I don't see the point of the fourth (unbulleted) paragraph. The previous paragraph and the associated bullets have already given the client two choices of which he MAY choose one. Given that this is a standards track document, that is all that is required. The last paragraph in this section specifies that this technique is limited in scope. I don't see the need for the editorializing here. Suggest deleting this paragraph. *3. Upper Layer Binding for NFS Versions 2 and 3* The penultimate paragraph in this section is new in this version and I don't understand the need for a new version 2/3 restriction so late in the game. If this is not a new restriction, the intent would be clearer if it was rewritten as follows: The structure of the NFS version 2 and 3 protocols and limitations on DDP-eligible data items given above are such that: - It is impossible for a Legacy NFS client to validly send a reduced Payload stream in a Long Call. - It is impossible for a Legacy NFS client to validly enable a Legacy NFS server to send a reduced Payload stream in a Long Reply. *4.1. MOUNT, NLM, and NSM Protocols* The second sentence of the last paragraph reads as follows: "In most implementations this data item is never larger than 1024 bytes, making reliable reply size estimation straightforward using the criteria outlined in Section 2". It appears that the qualifying phrase "In most implementations" has been ignored., leading to an incorrect conclusion. This section needs to be revised to reflect the fact that the client has no way to know whether the server is one within the set of "most implementations" or one outside it. Even if all existing implementations acted within this limit, there is no way to prevent new ones from being generated *5.2.1. Reply Size Estimation for Minor Version 0* With regard to the second sentence of the second paragraph the introductory phrase "As discussed in Section 2," is incorrect since the referenced material does not appear in section 2. With regard to the first sentence of the last paragraph, WRITE is not actually non-idempotent. Better examples would be RENAME or REMOVE. *5.4.2. Multiple DDP-eligible Data Items* With regard to the last sentence of the second paragraph, it is not clear what within the following material are "additional restrictions". I can't see how all of it can so characterized. This needs to be clarified. *5.5.2. NFS Version 4.1 Callback* With regard to the second sentence of the first paragraph, it is not clear which particular "mechanism" within the bidirection document is being referred to. Suggest replacing the word by "mechanisms" or "approach". *5.7.1. Congestion Avoidance* Given that the section about RFC56661 is referencing a different document and is about a different protocol, suggest replacing "further" by "also".
- [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis-06 David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Tom Talpey
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] Review of draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5667bis… karen deitke