Re: [nfsv4] Meetings in July or After
David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> Thu, 18 June 2020 21:46 UTC
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From: David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:45:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] Meetings in July or After
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> I am proposing that we hold a short (maximum of one hour) discussion > about directory scalabity issues in two weeks at 9AM PDT on 6/22. Not > sure if we will need a webex. If there are three participants or fewer, we > willl probably get by with just a phone call. Please let me know if you ar > interested in attending and contributing. Whatever is discussed will be > presented at the July interim meeting. Are you OK with the proposed time and format? As nobody else has proposed attending, I think we could address this with a simple phone call, and we can report on what we did and didn't decide at the 7/9 meeting. On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:41 PM David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Dave- >> >> >> >> As far as priority for meeting time: >> >> - First priority will be for it's relating to the current working >> group agenda, i. e. Things with current wg documents or milestones plus >> things related to rfc5661bis. I need to hear from other people about their >> plans but my expectation is that this stuff is unlikely to take more than >> an hour. For my thoughts about use of this time, see below >> >> >> - Second priority will be for follow-up discussion of new work >> proposals made at the previous virtual meeting. I'll have some suggestions >> below about how we might use time. >> >> >> - Third priority will be for other new work proposals. Unsure if >> there will be any time for these so I expect that any of these that don't >> fit will be deferred to a later virtual interim to be scheduled in >> September. >> >> >> >> >> - I don't expect us to hear anything new about integrity measurement >> but will schedule someting if Chuck expects to have a useful update. >> >> There has been some progress, but nothing I can discuss in a public >> setting yet. >> > > I'm guessing that it's unlikely that there willbe progress in the next few > weeks. > > I hope we will be able to discuss this in September. Let us know if there > is progresss you can talk about. > >> >> - I am anticipating some sort of update for rpc-over-RDMA version two >> and am assuming, for planning purposes, about ten minutes. I need an >> update from check in the next few weeks so I can put an agenda together. >> >> You mentioned a while back you had some input for me regarding >> restructuring of the header types, so I stopped working on that document >> temporarily, but that has turned into a lengthy hiatus. >> > > Sorry I dropped the ball on that. > > >> I can restart work with what I have and present that during the interim >> meeting, unless you have a different thought. >> > > I think that's the best option. Even if I remembered my proposals for > restrucuring, it getting kind of late to go through them now, given that we > want ro get this document to the IESG this year. > >> >> With regard to follow-up discussion from new-work discussions last time: >> >> >> Should there be an item in this category to discuss the RDMA Flush >> document? >> >> Good point. There should be. Tom might not have anything more to say, > but even he doesn't, wE will need an update from Magnus about how the > necessary charter update process is goIng. > >> >> - I think there is a need for some sort of followup discussion >> regarding the directory operation performance issues discussed last time. >> Due to lack of interest, I'm dropping the idea of (non-striped) directory >> layouts. >> >> With regard to directory delegation, it appears that a significant issue >> in is non-implementation is Chuck's belief (possibly shared by others) that >> any change to a directory, requires refetching the entire directory. I >> think this is incorrect and makes directory notification essentially >> useless. We might resolve this on the mailing list and I will send an >> email about the issue in the next few weeks. If there needs to be further >> discussion of this issue, we will need 5-10 minutes of meeting time. >> >> >> I want to follow up on Chuck's speculation of protocol help for rm -r and >> would also like to discuss similar possible extensions usable for build >> apllications. >> >> With regard to the effect of access-based enumeration on directory >> caching , we will want to follow up sufficiently to clarify what we will >> want to say (evenually) in rfc5661bis. >> >> >> Perhaps we could move this topic to one or two separate design calls that >> focus specifically on collecting and refining ideas about directory >> scalability. A separate series of calls would allow more time for >> discussion -- and could begin sooner than July. >> > > OK, but I think with this will count, in some sense as a virual interim, > with notice requirements (and probably minutes of some sort). > > I think we wll need 5 minutes (being liberal about it) in the July meeting > to report to the working group about what was and wasn't decided. > > To get the notice requirement out of way: > > I am proposing that we hold a short (maximum of one hour) discussion about > directory scalabity issues in two weeks at 9AM PDT on 6/22. Not sure if we > will need a webex. If there are three participants or fewer, we > willl probably get by with just a phone call. Please let me know if you > are interested in attending and contributing. Whatever is discussed will > be presented at the July interim meeting. > > >> >> -- >> Chuck Lever >> >> >> >>
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