Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Versions, Extended Attributes, and ACLs / Umask - Ends Dec 2nd 2016
bfields@fieldses.org (J. Bruce Fields) Thu, 08 December 2016 20:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Versions, Extended Attributes, and ACLs / Umask - Ends Dec 2nd 2016
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On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 06:49:38AM -0500, David Noveck wrote: > > Even though David responded, the question is for the document > > authors. > > Right but I thought it might be helpful to discuss the possible choices > before they decide to pick one. > > > My apologies for being opaque about "stable reference". > > I don't think you were "opaque". The problem is that there is a level of > uncertainty about exactly how stable the reference needs to be, and no > matter what we choose, the answer might be different when the IESG (and > various assorted reviewers) consider the matter. > > > The POSIX-1003.1e normative reference makes it appear that it > > is a Posix standards document while in the content of the > > reference it does state "withdrawn" - confusing. > > I referenced this issue in my review but I wasn't clear about why this was > a problem. I just asked how it could be normative, which may not have been > helpful in correcting the problem. Your formulation is clearer. > > > The other problem is that I cannot quickly locate a copy of that > > document > > I could quickly locate a copy. Unfortunately I can also quickly find a > bunch of advertised links to that document, which are broken :-( > > > and if it is going to be a normative reference then it needs > > to be reasonably available. > > That implies it wouldn't have to if it is an informative reference. I > suspect that there will be some concern about this issue during the review > process, even for an informative reference. > > > I understand that it is a defacto standard at this point given the > > implementation. > > I don't think the IESG would be very receptive to the idea of "De facto > Standard References" section :-( > > > My main point is that if it is going to be a reference a target needs > > to exist and the naming should likely be changed to remove the > > implication that it is a Posix standard. > > I agree. > > > As mentioned, if the reference is not needed based on the > > contents of the I-D, then the I-D can be reworded and references > > removed or changed. > > I still think the acl man page would be a good target for an informative > reference but the authors need to decide what they want to do about this > issue. I don't care much, I think either could work. Are there other examples of RFC's referencing man pages? I guess for now I'll keep the existing reference and move it to an "informative references" section. --b.
- [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor Vers… Spencer Shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … Marcel Telka
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … Spencer Shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … spencer shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … spencer shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Last Call for Extension and Minor … J. Bruce Fields