Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion, close at IETF99
David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> Tue, 09 May 2017 20:06 UTC
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From: David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 16:06:32 -0400
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To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion, close at IETF99
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> IMO FedFS is truly > moribund (and I'd bet there are others on the WG who knew > this years ago), thus looking forward, perhaps the charter > should not mention FedFS. You've convinced me. The next draft version I send out will drop FedFS. When I did the initial draft I left things out only if I was certain they should be gone, but now, with your feedback, I will try to remove things based on my best understanding of the situation. People are still free to object but I hope that people who have an issue with this will not wait until Prague to raise objections. > I wasn't sure, but I thought this work was complete with the > publication of RFC 8000. I'm thinking part of our review should > determine what else might be needed. I'm not sure about this since the existing charter mentions a number of possible documents. I'm still waiting to hear from Andy about this section but if he tells us there is no there there, we don't need a review although anyone would still be free to propose something in this area. On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> wrote: > > > On May 9, 2017, at 12:49 PM, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > IMO the maintenance and extension sections should also mention > > > ONC RPC (and RPCSEC GSS) explicitly. A new version of RPCSEC > > > was recently ratified, and RPC can be extended in the future > > > to operate on new types of transport layers. > > > > Good point. > > > > > > > > Performance Challenges > > > > > /layout/layout type > > > > > Is work on respecifying RPC-over-RDMA Version One considered > > > maintenance or performance? > > > > I consider it both and I don't think it is a problem. Performance is the > > motivation while each of the performance items fits under one of the > > mechanisms, either being maintenance or extension > > > > > My impression from Dallas was > > > this was maintenance of existing specifications. > > > > Under the old charter, there was no performance category. > > > > It fit under maintenance at Dallas since: > > • Very few people people had read the charter and so most did not > understand how constrained the concept of maintenance there was. > > • At the time we embarked on this, we didn't realize that > substantive technical changes were required., and thought of this (wrongly) > as purely a matter of editorial correction. For example the bi-direction > work, while clearly necessary, did not fit in the existing charter. > > > > > Where does Andy's multi-path work fit? > > > > > Does it need explicit mention in the WG charter? > > > > I'll leave that question to Andy. From a motivation point of view, this > is performance-related. > > > > As far as mechanism, Andy has mentioned the possibility of an additional > attribute with connection bandwidth/capability information, which would be > a v4.2 extension. > > > > Other work would probably fit in the maintenance category. When > migration-issue-13 is out, we can talk about plans to follow up. I'd like > 20 minutes at IETF-99 for the working group to discuss this. > > > > > Does the WG want to continue pursuing FedFS, if only in > > > maintenance mode? > > > > This is something the working group will have to decide, but if there is > nobody to do the work, it doesn't matter what the WG decides. > > Fair enough. I'm not volunteering. > > The question is whether it is worth a mention in the charter > as part of the WG's maintenance mission. IMO FedFS is truly > moribund (and I'd bet there are others on the WG who knew > this years ago), thus looking forward, perhaps the charter > should not mention FedFS. > > > > > Is Andy's multi-domain work able to continue if FedFS is removed from > the docket? > > > > I think it can. IIRC his document was not limited to FedFS but treated > it as one likely use. > > > > As far as I am concerned, the man question is whether Andy wants to > continue this work. I certainly think it is useful > > I wasn't sure, but I thought this work was complete with the > publication of RFC 8000. I'm thinking part of our review should > determine what else might be needed. > > > -- > Chuck Lever > > > >
- [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion, clo… spencer shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… Brian Pawlowski
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… Chuck Lever
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… spencer shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… spencer shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… David Noveck
- Re: [nfsv4] WG Charter update - email discussion,… Spencer Dawkins at IETF