Re: [nfsv4] NFSv4 Charter change proposal

Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Wed, 08 July 2020 07:38 UTC

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From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
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Hi David,

Please see inline. 

On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 04:18 -0400, David Noveck wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:44 AM Magnus Westerlund <
> magnus.westerlund=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I like to discuss the proposed charter change as written by David:
> 
> Just to provide the proper context, I'd like to state that the motivation for
> this change is,  and has always been, to enable us to take part in the work
> for Tom's push-mode draft.
> 
> > > I am now proposing replacing the second paragraph of the extensions
> > section
> > > which now reads:
> > > 
> > > Similarly, associated ONC protocol components that have a versioning/
> > > extension framework can be incrementally extended, when necessary.
> > > 
> > > By the following three-paragraph replacement:
> > > 
> > > In dealing with needed extensions to areas that underlay NFSv4, the
> > working
> > > group's role will depend on the specific area needing extension.  In the
> > case
> > > of associated ONC protocol components, those that have a
> > versioning/extension
> > > framework can be incrementally extended, when necessary.
> 
> I thought that the existing paragraph, which dealt with extending facilities
> for ONC, could be extended to deal with this situation.  It appears, given the
> months that Tom has had to wait, it appears that I was wrong 😞.

Sorry for not being sufficient clear. What I really desire is a descriptive
sentence or two of the actual work the wG planned to do. So describe PUSH mode
RDMA in a sentence or two.  

The clarification on RDMA maintenace that David Black proposed sets the context
for RDMA. 

I do hope that we will arrive on a charter extension that is agreeable during
the WG interim. I think with David Black's proposal this appears feasible. If we
succeed I can put this rechartering on next week's IESG Telechat. 

> 
> What I wanted to avoid was an unmotivated random statement saying essentially,
> "By the way, the working group can also do Tom's Push-mode draft". I wanted
> the charter to present a coherent area of responsibility.  If that can be
> dispensed with, then we can cite the specifics of Tom's proposal and go
> forward that way.

So describing the area of responsibility is fine. However, I do want the charter
to be explicit on extensions. Basically have the charter have a structure of. 

General responsibilty describing the areas of responsibility that is Foo and Bar

Specific work items in area Foo
 - Work#1 description 
 - Work#2 description

Specific work items in area Bar
 - Work #3 description


I think the issue is primarily how things are formulated not the actual content.
And lets just fix this extension for now. A rewrite will be for the future. 

However, let me give one aspect why I am pushing for more explicitness. The TSV
AD is unlikely to have particular deep insight to the storage area, which
definitely is true for me. Thus, have a charter that is clear on both scope and
what specific work items actually are. 

Being specific will help make it clear what focus and committed work the WG is
working on. It would help with the work planning and ensuring that the WG isn't
spreading itself to thin. 


Cheers

Magnus Westerlund 


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