Re: [nfsv4] RFC 7530: Filehandle of opened file after the REMOVE

Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com> Tue, 13 December 2016 17:20 UTC

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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:13:26 -0500
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] RFC 7530: Filehandle of opened file after the REMOVE
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On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Marcel Telka <marcel@telka.sk> wrote:

> Citát David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>om>:
>
>> And, ... what implementors do now with RFC 7530?  If they want to support
>>> the unix semantics they need to follow the note above albeit it is not
>>> written in the RFC.
>>>
>>
>> Some implementors already do this, and your note won't affect them.
>>
>> The problem is with those that don't.  Why would your note cause them to
>> change course?  I think they will basically figure that clients are going
>>
>
> My note will suggest them that if they want the unix semantics they will
> be clearly instructed what they need to implement.
>

That's hilarious...