[nfsv4] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: [nfsv4] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls-09: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the updates in the -09; they address all my previous Discuss points (from the -08). Unfortunately, there is one more issue that was introduced in the update and will need to be resolved: While I appreciate the efforts to find appropriate external specifications to reference, I do not believe that an id-kp-rpcTLSServer certificate is a Resource Certificate per RFC 6487 -- that specification deals with the RPKI (Resource PKI) used to authenticate IP address assignment, but the RPKI is an entirely separate PKI than the Internet PKI ("PKIX"). I think we should drop that sentence entirely. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I also have a few non-discuss-level comments on the -09. Section 5.1.2 Sending a TLS Closure Alert terminates a DTLS session. Because neither DTLS nor UDP provide in-order delivery, after session closure there can be ambiguity as to whether a datagram should be interpreted as DTLS protected or not. Therefore receivers MUST discard datagrams exchanged using the same 5-tuple that just terminated the DTLS session for 60 seconds. The mandatory waiting period before reusing a 5-tuple is a fine mechanism for resolving the ambiguity. However, I worry that prescribing the exact 60-second timeout is over-prescriptive, and it might be better to say something like "MUST discard [...] for a sufficient length of time to ensure that retransmissions have ceased and packets already in the network have been delivered. In the absence of more specific data, a period of 60 seconds is expected to suffice." Section 5.2.1.1 The current document defines two new KeyPurposeId values: one that identifies the RPC-over-TLS peer as an RPC client, and one that identifies the RPC-over-TLS peer as an RPC server. Additional KeyPurposeId values related to RPC-over-TLS may be specified in subsequent Standards Track documents. Perhaps I am just forgetting a previous discussion, but I am not sure why this is apparently limited to Standards-Track documents -- the normal PKIX convention is that anyone can define whatever EKU they want and specify the semantics of it. Section 7.1.2 Appendix C of [RFC8446] discusses precautions that can mitigate exposure during the exchange of connection handshake information and TLS certificate material that might enable attackers to track the RPC client. I suggest adding another sentence at the end: "When PSK authentication is used, the PSK identifier is exposed during the TLS handshake, and can be used to track the RPC client." I'm a bit surprised that this fact was not stated in the referenced appendix, but didn't find it there!
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