Re: [nfsv4] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-05: (with DISCUSS)

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Thu, 25 May 2017 18:22 UTC

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 13:22:47 -0500
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Marc Eshel <eshel@us.ibm.com>
Cc: draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs@ietf.org, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, NFSv4 <nfsv4@ietf.org>, nfsv4-chairs@ietf.org, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-05: (with DISCUSS)
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 09:11:53AM -0700, Marc Eshel wrote:
> We had a lot of discussions in the WG about the security implications and 
> we decided to stay a way of defining different types of xattr. This is 
> user only xattr for the applications to use and it should be handled as an 
> extension to the data in the file without any meaning for the protocol. If 
> it is not clear enough we can fix the text and add a warning. 

That's fair, but the point is that the security considerations should be
very explicit as to this.  MUST/MUST NOT language is called for.