[nfsv4] Re: Review of draft-haynes-nfsv4-uncacheable
Thomas Haynes <loghyr@gmail.com> Wed, 20 November 2024 20:05 UTC
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> On Nov 12, 2024, at 5:10 AM, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote: > > General Comments > Brief Summary > Although not specfically mentioned, the document under review is an attempt to provide support for the two features listed below. Later, in Replacement Suggestions, we will discuss better ways of providing support for these features. > Access-based enumeration, although not explicitly mentioned, is clearly being referred to under the rubric "proprientary policies". While the document under review does not explicitly make this feature valid and the reviewer has no objection to its incluson in NFSv4, the docment under review does so implicitly and then uses that presumed validity as a justification for the new uncacheable attribute. Not all of it is proprietary policies, Labelled NFS ala RFC7862 has concerns here. MAC-Functional NFSv4 servers which have non-MAC-Functional NFSv4 clients would also fall under this scope. I.e., the MAC-Functional NFSv4 servers would want to apply security labels to each direct.
- [nfsv4] Review of draft-haynes-nfsv4-uncacheable David Noveck
- [nfsv4] Re: Review of draft-haynes-nfsv4-uncachea… Thomas Haynes
- [nfsv4] Re: Review of draft-haynes-nfsv4-uncachea… Thomas Haynes