[Nmlrg] One comment on the proposed charter...

David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> Wed, 29 June 2016 17:59 UTC

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Subject: [Nmlrg] One comment on the proposed charter...
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All,

I was just reviewing the proposed charter and one thing we might consider
adding is the open database item (formally standardized datasets). We need
this not only to make progress and to prove out how various approaches work
(or don't work), whether new approaches improve on existing methods, and
the like.

More generally, the machine learning community has a long standing
tradition of open source, open data, and even open models (AlexNet,
GoogLeNet, etc are excellent examples of the later). The NMLRG should
strive to carry on these traditions, and they should probably be reflected
in the charter. Perhaps something like:

To "The Network Machine Learning Research Group (NMLRG) provides a forum
for researchers to explore the potential of machine learning technologies
for networks. In particular, the NMLRG will work on potential approaches
that apply machine learning technologies in network control, network
management, and supplying network data for upper-layer applications.'

add something like


"In addition and to the extent possible, approaches proposed in the NMLRG
should be documented not only with traditional written documentation but
also with an open source reference implementation and open access to the
data used to verify the approach."

or similar, again with the goal of supporting/carrying on the open science
approach that has been so successful to date in the ML community.

Thanks,

--dmm