Re: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases

Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com> Tue, 11 March 2014 06:15 UTC

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From: Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com>
To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" <dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com>, "nmrg@irtf.org" <nmrg@irtf.org>
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>Hence, the focus of this design goal should be on autonomic (distributed)
>control plane elements.

I fully agree on this observation. However, to clarify, this autonomic control plane we are talk about is different from the current control plan that mainly focus on, but only on routing and reachability. The new autonomic control plan is mainly targeting to minimize the current management plan. It should be able to autonomically decide the most (if not all) of management objects that currently needs human intelligence.

Thanks,

Sheng

>Thanks,
>-dimitri.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>Behringer
>> (mbehring)
>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 00:47
>> To: nmrg@irtf.org
>> Subject: [nmrg] Autonomic Use Cases
>>
>> NMRG,
>>
>> During the meeting we mentioned the need to document use cases. This
>> section in the definitions draft is so far empty. Since we should have
>> that section BEFORE working out the use cases, I drafted something up
>> here.
>>
>> I also realised that while we haven't really written down in the draft
>> that the key point of this work really is to work out common
>> infrastructure requirements. So I'm also suggesting an additional short
>> section in the Design Goals section:
>>
>>       <section title="Common Autonomic Networking Infrastructure">
>> 	<t><xref target="I-D.irtf-nmrg-an-gap-analysis"/> points out that
>> there are already a number of fully or partially autonomic functions
>> available today. However, they are largely independent, and each has its
>> own methods and protocols to communicate, discover, define and distribute
>> policy, etc. </t>
>> 	<t>The goal of the work on autonomic networking in the IETF is
>> therefore not just to create autonomic functions, but to define a common
>> infrastructure that autonomic functions can use. This autonomic networking
>> infrastructure may contain common control and management functions
>such as
>> messaging, service discovery, negotiation, intent distribution, etc. A
>> common approach to define and manage intent is also required. </t>
>> 	<t>Refer to the reference model below: All the components around the
>> "autonomic service agents" should be common components, such that the
>> autonomic service agents do not have to replicate common tasks
>> individually. </t>
>>       </section>
>>
>> Comments? Does this capture the idea well?
>>
>> And then, the use case section could look like this:
>>
>>       <section title="Guidelines for Case Studies">
>> 	<t>Case studies and problem statements are mandatory to understand
>> common requirements for autonomic functions. This section explains how
>> case studies should be outlined and what they should describe:
>>         <list style="symbols">
>> 	  <t>Title</t>
>> 	  <t>Problem Statement: An explanation which problem is being
>> addressed, with information about existing solutions and their
>> shortcomings.</t>
>> 	  <t>Intended user / administrator experience: The goal of autonomic
>> networking is to simplify network administration and usage. Use cases
>> should point out how their experience differs from current solutions. If a
>> use case depends on configuration, it may include configuration samples,
>> although obviously the goal is to reduce or eliminate configuration. </t>
>> 	  <t>Intent: Strictly speaking intent is part of the administrator
>> experience, but should probably explained explicitly with a high-level
>> view on how the autonomic function could be defined in intent (if
>> required). </t>
>> 	  <t>Local knowledge: What the function needs to know about the
>> capabilities of the node itself, and which local resources need to be
>> accessed.</t>
>> 	  <t>Communication requirements: The requirements for message
>> exchange, discovery, negotiation, etc with other autonomic nodes. </t>
>>         </list>
>> 	</t>
>> 	<t>Use cases are not required to outline a solution in detail, nor
>> to specify precise protocol or intent details. They are used at this point
>> to determine a consolidated approach to developping an autonomic
>> networking infrastructure. </t>
>>       </section>
>>
>> Comments?
>> Michael
>>
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