Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
"Liushucheng (Will Liu)" <liushucheng@huawei.com> Thu, 09 May 2019 03:10 UTC
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From: "Liushucheng (Will Liu)" <liushucheng@huawei.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "nmrg@irtf.org" <nmrg@irtf.org>
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Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
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Thanks for the comments. Let's try to write some examples in next version. Also, welcome your contribution. :) Regards, / 致礼! Will LIU / 刘树成 -----Original Message----- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 4:14 AM To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; nmrg@irtf.org Cc: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt On 08-May-19 21:46, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote: > Hi Brian, > > Thanks for your comments. I agree that the first sentence is not accurate and the rest of your comments. > > The main role of the first sentence is to lead to the second one. :) > We will modify it in next version to: Management personnel, such as network administrators, may have the knowledge of the underlying network. > Is that OK? Yes, I think so. I hope we can soon have some concrete examples of intent, because for a long time the discussion has been very abstract. Regards Brian > > Regards, / 致礼! > Will LIU / 刘树成 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:03 PM > To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; nmrg@irtf.org > Cc: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt > > Hi, > > I appreciate this document as background for what is otherwise quite a confusing discussion. > > There is one statement that gives me a bit of difficulty, however: > >> Management personnel, such as network Administrators, have complete >> knowledge of the underlying network. However, they may not >> understand the details of the applications and services of Customers >> and End-Users. > > The second sentence is certainly true. However, especially if > autonomic networking is a success, I am not sure about the first > sentence. As networks get more and more complex, and especially when > virtual networks or slices are created dynamically and automatically, > the administrators will *not* have complete knowledge of the > underlying network. In fact, the intent itself may be the reason for > this: the network is configured as a result of the intent, and the > human administrators will then be unaware of the details. (They are > presumably aware of the physical structure of the network, and the > devices installed, but that is only part of the story.) > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > On 24-Apr-19 14:23, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, which replaced the old draft-li version. >> >> As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared principles between SDOs: >> -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deployment details as possible and focusing on what and not how >> -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminology and concepts familiar to its target audience >> -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms >> -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve >> conflicts between multiple intents >> >> This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents, so that can be a good foundation for future discussion related to intent in IETF scope. >> >> In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on : >> -Solutions, Users and their Purpose >> -When to Activate >> -Lifecycle Management Requirements >> -Granularity >> >> Slides we presented: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-se >> ssb-intent-classification-00 >> >> Your comments and contributions are welcome! >> >> Regards, / 致礼! >> Will LIU / 刘树成 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:41 PM >> To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; John Strassner >> <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; Olga Havel <olga.havel@huawei.com>; >> Xuweiping (David) <xuweiping@huawei.com>; Ying Cheng >> <chengying10@chinaunicom.cn>; Liushucheng (Will Liu) >> <liushucheng@huawei.com>; Chen Li <lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn> >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Will (Shucheng) Liu and posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Intent Classification >> Document date: 2019-04-22 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 13 >> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00 >> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification >> >> >> Abstract: >> RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to >> operate the network. Intent management system includes an interface >> for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents >> into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to >> now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of >> intent. >> >> This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders, >> describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated >> taxonomy of this classification. This is a foundation for discussion >> intent related topics. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nmrg mailing list >> nmrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg >> >
- [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-… Liushucheng (Will Liu)
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Liushucheng (Will Liu)
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Liushucheng (Will Liu)
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Liushucheng (Will Liu)