Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt

"Liushucheng (Will Liu)" <liushucheng@huawei.com> Thu, 09 May 2019 03:10 UTC

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From: "Liushucheng (Will Liu)" <liushucheng@huawei.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "nmrg@irtf.org" <nmrg@irtf.org>
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Thanks for the comments. Let's try to write some examples in next version. Also, welcome your contribution.  :)

Regards, / 致礼! 
Will LIU  / 刘树成


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Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt

On 08-May-19 21:46, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thanks for your comments. I agree that the first sentence is not accurate and the rest of your comments. 
> 
> The main role of the first sentence is to lead to the second one. :) 
> We will modify it in next version to: Management personnel, such as network administrators, may have the knowledge of the underlying network.
> Is that OK?

Yes, I think so. I hope we can soon have some concrete examples of intent, because for a long time the discussion has been very abstract.

Regards
    Brian

> 
> Regards, / 致礼! 
> Will LIU  / 刘树成
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
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> To: Liushucheng (Will Liu) <liushucheng@huawei.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
> Cc: draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: New Version Notification for 
> draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I appreciate this document as background for what is otherwise quite a confusing discussion.
> 
> There is one statement that gives me a bit of difficulty, however:
> 
>>    Management personnel, such as network Administrators, have complete
>>    knowledge of the underlying network.  However, they may not
>>    understand the details of the applications and services of Customers
>>    and End-Users.
> 
> The second sentence is certainly true. However, especially if 
> autonomic networking is a success, I am not sure about the first 
> sentence. As networks get more and more complex, and especially when 
> virtual networks or slices are created dynamically and automatically, 
> the administrators will *not* have complete knowledge of the 
> underlying network. In fact, the intent itself may be the reason for 
> this: the network is configured as a result of the intent, and the 
> human administrators will then be unaware of the details. (They are 
> presumably aware of the physical structure of the network, and the 
> devices installed, but that is only part of the story.)
> 
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 24-Apr-19 14:23, Liushucheng (Will Liu) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just did some small modifications and submit this draft as -nmrg, which replaced the old draft-li version.
>>
>> As we presented during last NMRG meeting, there are several shared principles between SDOs:
>>   -intent should be declarative, using and depending on as few deployment details as possible and focusing on what and not how
>>   -intent should provide an easy-to-use interface, and use terminology and concepts familiar to its target audience
>>   -intent should be vendor-independent and portable across platforms
>>   -the intent framework should be able to detect and resolve 
>> conflicts between multiple intents
>>
>> This document goal is to discuss and propose how to classify intents, so that  can be a good foundation for future discussion related to intent in IETF scope.
>>
>> In the draft we've listed Intent Classification based on :
>> -Solutions, Users and their Purpose
>> -When to Activate
>> -Lifecycle Management Requirements
>> -Granularity
>>
>> Slides we presented: 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-nmrg-se
>> ssb-intent-classification-00
>>                                  
>> Your comments and contributions are welcome!
>>
>> Regards, / 致礼! 
>> Will LIU  / 刘树成
>>
>>
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>> <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; Olga Havel <olga.havel@huawei.com>; 
>> Xuweiping (David) <xuweiping@huawei.com>; Ying Cheng 
>> <chengying10@chinaunicom.cn>; Liushucheng (Will Liu) 
>> <liushucheng@huawei.com>; Chen Li <lichen.bri@chinatelecom.cn>
>> Subject: New Version Notification for 
>> draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Will (Shucheng) Liu and posted to the IETF repository.
>>
>> Name:		draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification
>> Revision:	00
>> Title:		Intent Classification
>> Document date:	2019-04-22
>> Group:		Individual Submission
>> Pages:		13
>> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification/
>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification-00
>> Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-nmrg-intent-classification
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    RFC 7575 defines Intent as an abstract high-level policy used to
>>    operate the network. Intent management system includes an interface
>>    for users to input requests and an engine to translate the intents
>>    into the network configuration and manage their lifecycle. Up to
>>    now, there is no commonly agreed definition, interface or model of
>>    intent.
>>
>>    This document discusses what intent means to different stakeholders,
>>    describes different ways to classify intent, and an associated
>>    taxonomy of this classification. This is a foundation for discussion
>>    intent related topics.
>>
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>>
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