Subject: [nmrg] Re: [OPSAWG]Re: [ainetops] Re: AIOPS Side Meeting [Was Re: Agenda for the Side Meeting: AI-Driven Network Operations — IETF 126, Fri 24 Jul, 08:00 CEST]
From: Toerless Eckert <[email-masked]>
To: Mahesh Jethanandani <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:22:07 +0200
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[adding NMRG]

Thanks, Mahesh

Yes, indeed, NMRG meeting starting at 9AM, so lets try to get the most out of the
first hour of our side-meeting at 8AM. There are a couple of
documents proposed/discussed for the NMRG meeting including yours truly  draft-cxxx-nmrg-ai4ibn-00
that should be also of interest to folks interested in AINETOPS.

Even more so, similar to how NMRG work product (RFCs)  was a justification in support
of chartering ANIMA (by Benoit back then), such work in NMRG could equally
support justifying AINETOPS - or help it to scope. And that's definitely also
a question i would like to raise in NMRG:

"which of the stuff here in NMRG do you see of interest to you (when you are an operator
 specifically) to be brought to the IETF, specifically a group scoped such as proposed for
 AINETOPS".

So maybe we'll get even more time and interest in the topic, even if some of
of it will be in NMRG on friday. But there are a lot of operator participants in there.

Cheers
   Toerless                

On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 12:02:17PM +0200, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote:
> <html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Dan, et al,<div><br></div><div>Based on talking to quite a few of you, there is clearly a lot of interest in having the meeting. We will therefore go ahead and have the meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>A few have indicated a conflict starting at 9 am. I expect that we will start losing the quorum by that time. So participants, should plan on getting a few core things sorted out in the first hour itself. I will hang around after the first hour.</div><div><br></div><div>Look forward to seeing you all on Friday.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Mahesh Jethanandani<div>[email-masked]</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 22, 2026, at 9:31 AM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Von:</b> Dan Voyer IETF &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
> <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, Juli 22, 2026 9:26 AM<br>
> <b>An:</b> Mahesh Jethanandani &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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> <b>Betreff:</b> [ainetops] Re: [OPSAWG]AIOPS Side Meeting [Was Re: Agenda for the Side Meeting: AI-Driven Network Operations — IETF 126, Fri 24 Jul, 08:00 CEST]</span>
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> <div dir="ltr">H Mahesh,</div>
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> <div dir="ltr">Is the side-meeting going or did you shut it down since no one took charge ?</div>
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> <div dir="ltr">And, perhaps since you proposed that side-meeting, is there any possibility that you run it ?&nbsp;</div>
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> <div dir="ltr">Dan</div>
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> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 19, 2026 at 9:08 PM Mahesh Jethanandani &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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> <div class="gmail_quote">When I proposed the AIOPS side meeting, I asked if anyone was willing to step up and fill the roles needed to run it. To date, no one has volunteered for any of them. I understand the turnaround has been short, but without these roles
>  filled, the meeting has no one driving it and won't be worth holding.</div>
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> <div class="gmail_quote">If you're a would-be proponent and want to see AIOPS work happen in the IETF, this is the moment to step up:</div>
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> <div class="gmail_quote">Take charge of the agenda</div>
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> <div class="gmail_quote">If a core group hasn't formed by Wednesday, July 22, I will cancel the side meeting.</div>
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> <div class="gmail_quote">Cheers,</div>
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> Volunteers needed to help run the meeting</div>
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