Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
Jukka Manner <jukka.manner@tkk.fi> Wed, 15 December 2010 09:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
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Hi Calvin, Thanks for working strongly to resolve this. Your proposal sounds good to me. Jukka On 12/14/2010 12:36 AM, Calvin Chu wrote: > I have Columbia's backing to offer a Cisco style declaration of IPR. > This declaration may deprecate/take precedence over what was previously > submitted. > > Those that feel strongly about this may email me offline. > > As mentioned, I'd like to minimize the stepping of toes at this point > with the goal of maintaining the draft where it was. If this is the > preferred route to do this then I'll plan to resubmit soon. > > Kind regards, > > Calvin Chu > Senior Licensing Officer > Columbia Technology Ventures > http://techventures.columbia.edu > Tel: (212) 851-4140 > Twitter: cchu > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Calvin Chu > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:06 PM > To: Roland Bless > Cc: Georgios Karagiannis; nsis@ietf.org; Jukka Manner > Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University > inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to > draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 > > See below, and here. > > Currently I've made it a priority to review the Cisco style disclosure > with Columbia. In the meantime, it's my priority to work out to the > satisfaction of the members here to allow this draft to remain. I am > working on this. > > Calvin Chu > Senior Licensing Officer > Columbia Technology Ventures > http://techventures.columbia.edu > Tel: (212) 851-4140 > Twitter: cchu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Bless [mailto:roland.bless@kit.edu] > > Hi, > >> Since we have an open implementation that's fine, but IMHO the > following >> cited text is not 100% clear that this is also guaranteed if the >> specification will once change to standards track. So if you could make >> it clear that the last point doesn't apply to the open-software and >> development activities, it would be better. > > Regardless of track, if it's open source, then it's FREE. > >>> The other point of contention is the FRAND terms in the situation it >>> becomes a protocol standard, and even then, only in the non-open > source >>> case. >>> >>> Is the issue: A) The fact that the fee is unknown B) The fact that > there >>> is a fee at all or C) desire to see better conformance of disclosure >>> such as use of the Cisco style IPR disclosure > >> I would say B) and A) in that order :-), i.e. >> if you remove any fee, it would cause no problem, but if you keep >> the fee, it would be good to say something about it. > > I'm looking into the suggestion on the Cisco style IPR disclosure -- > still need about a day or so to get some consensus. > > I was earlier under the impression that this RFC was unlikely to exit > Experimental status so no details were worked out for what that fee may > be. It would be unacceptable to us for this fee to prohibit legitimate > use, except, at the time I entered the disclosure (as well as now), the > threshold for what would be prohibitive isn't known to me. The members > of the list would likely know better than me on these matters. > > If it's case (A) above, we can declare a hard upper limit the > uncertainty is removed from the system. If (A) is unacceptable at any > value, in any case, I'm simultaneously passing around the Cisco style > disclosure. > > _______________________________________________ > nsis mailing list > nsis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nsis -- Jukka MJ Manner, Professor, PhD. Phone: +358+(0)9+470 22481 Aalto University Mobile: +358+(0)50+5112973 Department of Communications Fax: +358+(0)9+470 22474 and Networking (Comnet) Office: G320a (Otakaari 5A) P.O. Box 13000, FIN-00076 Aalto E-mail: jukka.manner@tkk.fi Finland WWW: www.comnet.tkk.fi
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia U… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… James M. Polk
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Takako Sanda
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… James M. Polk
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fu, Xiaoming
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia U… IETF Secretariat
- [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Lars Eggert