Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13

Hi Calvin

Your proposal sounds good to me too!

Best regards,
Georgios

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jukka Manner
> Sent: woensdag 15 december 2010 11:01
> To: Calvin Chu
> Cc: nsis@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia 
> University inthe City of New York's Statement about 
> IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
> 
> Hi Calvin,
> 
> Thanks for working strongly to resolve this. Your proposal 
> sounds good to me.
> 
> Jukka
> 
> On 12/14/2010 12:36 AM, Calvin Chu wrote:
> > I have Columbia's backing to offer a Cisco style declaration of IPR.
> > This declaration may deprecate/take precedence over what was 
> > previously submitted.
> >
> > Those that feel strongly about this may email me offline.
> >
> > As mentioned, I'd like to minimize the stepping of toes at 
> this point 
> > with the goal of maintaining the draft where it was.  If 
> this is the 
> > preferred route to do this then I'll plan to resubmit soon.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Calvin Chu
> > Senior Licensing Officer
> > Columbia Technology Ventures
> > http://techventures.columbia.edu
> > Tel: (212) 851-4140
> > Twitter: cchu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] 
> On Behalf 
> > Of Calvin Chu
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:06 PM
> > To: Roland Bless
> > Cc: Georgios Karagiannis; nsis@ietf.org; Jukka Manner
> > Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia 
> > University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to
> > draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
> >
> > See below, and here.
> >
> > Currently I've made it a priority to review the Cisco style 
> disclosure 
> > with Columbia.  In the meantime, it's my priority to work 
> out to the 
> > satisfaction of the members here to allow this draft to 
> remain.  I am 
> > working on this.
> >
> > Calvin Chu
> > Senior Licensing Officer
> > Columbia Technology Ventures
> > http://techventures.columbia.edu
> > Tel: (212) 851-4140
> > Twitter: cchu
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roland Bless [mailto:roland.bless@kit.edu]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> Since we have an open implementation that's fine, but IMHO the
> > following
> >> cited text is not 100% clear that this is also guaranteed if the 
> >> specification will once change to standards track. So if you could 
> >> make it clear that the last point doesn't apply to the 
> open-software 
> >> and development activities, it would be better.
> >
> > Regardless of track, if it's open source, then it's FREE.
> >
> >>> The other point of contention is the FRAND terms in the 
> situation it 
> >>> becomes a protocol standard, and even then, only in the non-open
> > source
> >>> case.
> >>>
> >>> Is the issue: A) The fact that the fee is unknown B) The fact that
> > there
> >>> is a fee at all or C) desire to see better conformance of 
> disclosure 
> >>> such as use of the Cisco style IPR disclosure
> >
> >> I would say B) and A) in that order :-), i.e.
> >> if you remove any fee, it would cause no problem, but if 
> you keep the 
> >> fee, it would be good to say something about it.
> >
> > I'm looking into the suggestion on the Cisco style IPR 
> disclosure -- 
> > still need about a day or so to get some consensus.
> >
> > I was earlier under the impression that this RFC was 
> unlikely to exit 
> > Experimental status so no details were worked out for what that fee 
> > may be.  It would be unacceptable to us for this fee to prohibit 
> > legitimate use, except, at the time I entered the 
> disclosure (as well 
> > as now), the threshold for what would be prohibitive isn't known to 
> > me.  The members of the list would likely know better than 
> me on these matters.
> >
> > If it's case (A) above, we can declare a hard upper limit the 
> > uncertainty is removed from the system.  If (A) is 
> unacceptable at any 
> > value, in any case, I'm simultaneously passing around the 
> Cisco style 
> > disclosure.
> >
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