RE: [NTDP] Purpose of NTDP

"Craig Brown \(crbrown\)" <crbrown@cisco.com> Tue, 01 August 2006 08:27 UTC

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From: "Craig Brown (crbrown)" <crbrown@cisco.com>
To: Loki Jorgenson <ljorgenson@apparentnetworks.com>
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Loki,

I can see the areas of controlling testing device and gathering data.
Can you expand the description of the other areas ?

Cheers,
Craig 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loki Jorgenson [mailto:ljorgenson@apparentnetworks.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:30 AM
> To: Craig Brown (crbrown)
> Cc: ntdp@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [NTDP] Purpose of NTDP
> 
> Craig - I would request that we expand the scope sufficiently 
> to include the complete cycle required to support 
> auto-diagnostic processes.  In my view, the ability to gather 
> information about the network, analyze it and then direct it 
> is essential and missing from any other charter.
> 
> Something like
>    o control testing devices
>    o gather data
>    o analyze data
>    o generate outcome
>    o remediate/provision by issuing state or configuration requests
> 
> All of the above except that last appears within scope so 
> far.  Some sort of explicit relationship to 
> Netconf-or-similar might be sufficient.
> However, the linkage between "outcome" and "requests" should 
> at least be supported if not defiend - possibly that looks 
> like some sort of API to a network device management system.
> 
> I would like to address any implicit assumption that the 
> output of such an automatically managed system of testing 
> devices would be consumed by a human.
> 
> Loki Jorgenson
> Chief Scientist
> Apparent Networks
> 
> e   ljorgenson@ApparentNetworks.com
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> f   604 433 2311
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Brown (crbrown) [mailto:crbrown@cisco.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:12 PM
> To: ntdp@ietf.org
> Subject: [NTDP] Purpose of NTDP
> 
> 
> It was raised at the last IETF meeting that this alias has 
> been lacking
> a statement of purpose. The objective of this alias is to discuss and
> propose a solution for how we manage a network testing devices. It can
> be considered that these devices are similar to any device in the
> network and from some perspectives that's true. The intent 
> therefore is
> to further identify the unique areas of these devices and define how
> that part is managed. 
> 
> A proposed charter ....
> 

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